Subject: Mail digest
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:25:40 +0200 (METDST)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:42:24 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 9:49:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Let's see, Tanya, you get to put in your two cents but then you shut the
rest of us down? (Why do I feel I've been here before?) Sorry. Doesn't work
that way.
>>
Just a thought guys and gals........If you have a personal criticism about a
list member or their "posting", how about sending it to them directly -
person to person? I like it much better when everybody talks nice to each
other, you know, like we were taught in kindergarten?
(I know, grammar in above paragraph stinks, but hopefully you get the message)
Sharon
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:53:32 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 9:30:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< ecause of the things I mentioned. It
seems almost *funny* (not in the comical sense) that an inappropriate
joke could get the liberals so ignited but oral sex in the Oval Office
and phone sex at night was *private* and nobody's busines >>
AMEN !!!! Im ticked now that he is taking the democratic * side * to this
movie and I will tell him next time he makes one of his inside sexy jokes to
me!
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:57:28 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 10:12:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
It's a &&$*&*(@#&$*(#&$( free country. I didn't say you couldn't speak
your mind. I said I didn't want to get into a huge "Cinderalla-ish"
discussion personally. >>
Pants I am ashamed that you even used the * C * word, let us put that in our
past please! But comparing a discussion about CT and AH to Cinderella is like
comparing a discussion about The Tele Tubbies and Clinton..... hey
wait........
KJ : )
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:37:31 -0700 (PDT)
He ALWAYS takes the *left* side of an issue. That's o.k., we knew that
coming into this, but he is SO emotional that it blinds him to any
other information that may influence a decision. IMHO he doesn't have
an analytical bone in his body. He is a wonderful actor and singer but
he isn't an intellectual giant by any stretch of the imagination. I
don't say this because of the positions he takes but rather *why* he
takes them. There are always two sides (at least) to an issue, and few
things are black or white.
Renee
--- [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/28/99 9:30:50 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << ecause of the things I mentioned. It
> seems almost *funny* (not in the comical sense)
> that an inappropriate
> joke could get the liberals so ignited but oral sex
> in the Oval Office
> and phone sex at night was *private* and nobody's
> busines >>
>
> AMEN !!!! Im ticked now that he is taking the
> democratic * side * to this
> movie and I will tell him next time he makes one of
> his inside sexy jokes to
> me!
> KJ
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:50:50 EDT
I think that judging someone's intelligence or ability to be analytical based
upon the few moments you spend with them after a concert is a bit unfair. I
don't believe that you can create complex, multilayered characters such as
his and be a dithering idiot who emotionally snatches any idea in his head as
the correct position.
You may not agree with the man's political position, but there's no reason to
insult his intelligence just because he disagrees with you!
As I said, I believed Anita Hill, as well...does that make me less
intelligent? In the end, this is a case of 'he said, she said' and no one
knows the truth except those two people.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:03:17 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 11:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
<< a dithering idiot who emotionally snatches any idea in his head as
the correct position. >>
Now now, you are putting words in her mouth. That's not nice. I knew when I
saw her post she would be lambasted but still no need to put ugly words that
she did NOT say in her mouth.
I agree its a he said she said, no one knows for sure, I think that was her
point about Mandy. I think she was lying through her calm little
expressionless teeth, but then again like I said... On the other hand even if
he did make an off color remark that is NOT sexual harassment and the whole
thing was a circus and a joke. All because the man was pro life. To me that
is pretty sad.
KJ
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:03:46 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 11:37:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< he isn't an intellectual giant by any stretch of the imagination >>
Hey! I object! My man is intellectual - especially in all the ways that
count............
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:05:16 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 11:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
<< I think that judging someone's intelligence or ability to be analytical
based
upon the few moments you spend with them after a concert is a bit unfair. I
don't believe that you can create complex, multilayered characters such as
his and be a dithering idiot who emotionally snatches any idea in his head
as
the correct position. >>
Amen sister......of course there was that comment at his Marin concert last
year. the concert was partially sponsored (or a benefit for) The Fireman's
Fund. Mandy went on for some bit about firemen - having no idea it was an
insurance company. It was a little uncomfortable, but we loved him even
more........
Sharon
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:08:38 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 12:05:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Hey! I object! My man is intellectual -- especially in all the ways that
count............
>>
Are you trying to say he is long on intelligence?
KJ<~~ wonders if Bev is rubbing off on me .
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
I never said he was a dithering idiot, and on many issues I agree with
him. I never said he snatches any idea in his head as the correct
position either. I just think the quotes attributed to him are usually
very emotional rather than analytical. As far as you agreeing with him
on this issue, that is fine. Many bright and intelligent people agree
with his assumption, but usually it is based on points of fact not
instinct. (not that instinct is a bad thing) Anyway, we'll never know
the truth. I hope we can agree on that much. By the way, there are few
people who are considered intellectual giants so I didn't mean it as an
insult to his I.Q.. I guess I should apologize to all those on this
list who consider MP a genius and were offended by my comment. I'm very
sorry. :o(
Renee-
--- [email protected] wrote:
> I think that judging someone's intelligence or
> ability to be analytical based
> upon the few moments you spend with them after a
> concert is a bit unfair. I
> don't believe that you can create complex,
> multilayered characters such as
> his and be a dithering idiot who emotionally
> snatches any idea in his head as
> the correct position.
>
> You may not agree with the man's political position,
> but there's no reason to
> insult his intelligence just because he disagrees
> with you!
>
> As I said, I believed Anita Hill, as well...does
> that make me less
> intelligent? In the end, this is a case of 'he
> said, she said' and no one
> knows the truth except those two people.
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
Okay! I ADMIT IT! I WAS WRONG! I'm not about to argue this point (oops)
any longer... :o)))
Renee
--- [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/28/99 12:05:01 PM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> Hey! I object! My man is intellectual --
> especially in all the ways that
> count............
> >>
> Are you trying to say he is long on intelligence?
> KJ<~~ wonders if Bev is rubbing off on me .
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:17:25 EDT
In a message dated 8/27/99 9:14:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< UH oooooooooooooooo ! I felt she was lying, ewwwww . >>
Not me. Count me as one of the "Thomas was a lying sexual predator" believers.
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:22:22 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 1:19:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Not me. Count me as one of the "Thomas was a lying sexual predator"
believers.
>>
OK now just explain to me EVEN if it were true , how saying off color remarks
makes him a "predator " ? Did he ever make advances toward her NO did he ever
threaten her NO did he ever seek her out? NO. She on the other hand followed
him, called him kept in contact with HIM. If anyone was the predator it was
her, media, money and my theory is that she did it all in the name of pro
choice. Just my * intuition * nothing more. No proof like we have said
before. Just that she was odd and things didn't add up on her end of the
stick. She also reminded me very much of someone I knew first hand that got
up and lied under oath, a very bright woman, in law, same kinda facial
expressions and look of education as well. Its not out of the question.
KJ <~~knows Bev to like an off color joke or two, never thought of her as a
predator .... unless of course were talking about Mandy. : )
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:47:31 -0700
Well, I can't help but jump in.....with this much discussion on the list
alone, the show will probably get a lot of viewers, spark controversy, and
maybe get MP an Emmy next year!
As far as intelligence, Sharon mentioned she was embarrassed that Mandy
didn't know that Fireman's Fund was about insurance, not firemen. Not me! I
didn't know either....so I don't consider that any measure of intelligence
:>
Renee wrote in part:
>...but he is SO emotional that it blinds him to any
>other information that may influence a decision. IMHO he doesn't have
>an analytical bone in his body.......
I think Mandy is like a puppy...all emotion...right out there. Granted this
is based upon limited interaction with him, but I think he is not only a
method singer but a method person. It seems to me that when I've talked to
him...limited as I said...he looks right at me and reacts to what I say and
my tone. It must be exhausting. (Now the actors in the bunch will probably
correct me on mixing up emotion and method acting...but I think you know
what I mean.)....Carol
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:00:11 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 2:49:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
<<
As far as intelligence, Sharon mentioned she was embarrassed that Mandy
didn't know that Fireman's Fund was about insurance, not firemen. Not me! I
didn't know either....so I don't consider that any measure of intelligence
:> >>
How do you think the owners of the insurance company felt! I would blame his
personal secretary for this, she should have made sure he knew, I bet he felt
a bit embarrassed as would we all had it been us. Bless his heart, I would
have loved to have comforted him.
KJ
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To: [email protected]
Subject: SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:25:48 -0700
Hey everybody-
Dont get mixed up tomorrow night and tape 'Cruel Justice' that is airing
on NBC! (LOL) 21 and a half hours to go- Laurie
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Subject: Jekyll & Hyde..Off
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:32:32 EDT
Saw J and H today..was NOT looking forward to it at all and was pleasantly
surprised. (anyone know anything of Chuck Wagner..the lead?) I couldn't help
but picturing MP in the role..the only problem was the Dudley- Dooright voice
change when he became Hyde....but it WAS fun picturing MP with LONGGGG
flowing hair......flipping it to and fro...) LOL!!
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:34:43 EDT
In a message dated 8/28/99 2:49:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
<< I think Mandy is like a puppy. >>
well I hope to hell he's house broken ;-))
(Damn!! the Cinderella discussion was SO much more fun!!!)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Check out Academy of Television Arts & Sciences-Emmy pgm
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:48:00 EDT
Click here: Academy of Television Arts &
Sciences
This is the site where you can order the Emmy program for $15...included are
pix of the nominees and bios. Hope this helps those who want the book...
Ina
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SJ
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:49:11 -0700
Everyone from the west coast and who has multiple Showtime channels probably
already knows this, but in case you don't: Showtime East (8:00PM EDT) will
air on the west coast at 5:00PM PDT. So, if you live on the west coast you
do not have to wait until 8:00 Nan
Laurie wrote:
> Hey everybody-
> Dont get mixed up tomorrow night and tape 'Cruel Justice' that is airing
> on NBC! (LOL) 21 and a half hours to go- Laurie
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Subject: Laura's Quote for the Day
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:22:00 EDT
Camille: "Hey........Aaron and I were thinking- how about you coming over
to our place for Christmas dinner!"
Jeffrey: "Thanks. Probably go to the rubber room with Laurie. Boneless
turkey breast, mashed potatoes- eat only food that can't be used as a
weapon."
- from the CH episode "Great White
Hope"
Laura :)
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Check out Academy of Television Arts & Sciences-Emmy pgm
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:31:57 -0700
> Click here: Academy of Television Arts &
>Sciences
>
>This is the site where you can order the Emmy program for $15...included are
>pix of the nominees and bios. Hope this helps those who want the book...
>
Ina, thanks for the information. I went to the site and saw the show was
webcast tonight while I was out to dinner. Could've watched it on my
computer live....and seen Mandy lose :<
Did anyone know about that? All the arguing going on and we missed the fact
that we could have watched it tonight on our PCs?....Carol
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Diaries of Adam and Eve
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 00:11:40 -0700
"The Diaries of Adam and Eve," the audiocassette, is available on
amazon.com for $18 and has the date 9/1/99 by it. This has Mandy as one of
the readers of a Mark Twain story that I remember Tanja originally
mentioned.
I'm beginning to sound like a salesperson...I really am trying to get some
work done...I just get distracted....Carol
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:48:57 -0500
At 01:53 PM 8/28/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>AMEN !!!! Im ticked now that he is taking the democratic * side * to this
>movie and I will tell him next time he makes one of his inside sexy jokes to
>me!
>KJ
>
Oh, check it out, a big freakin' war on the list and *I* never said a word! ;)
KJ, I don't know that this issue can or should be divided down party lines.
But it's inappropriate on this list to bash other list members' ideologies
just because you disagree with them, and that goes for everybody including me.
And in case this wasn't public knowledge already, next time Mandy is
whispering sweet nothings in your ear, ask him to murmur his voting record.
I hope when you guys bill and coo you can get over his being a very, very,
very liberal Democrat...
DR
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Jekyll & Hyde..Off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:49:05 -0500
At 10:32 PM 8/28/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>Saw J and H today..was NOT looking forward to it at all and was pleasantly
>surprised. (anyone know anything of Chuck Wagner..the lead?) I couldn't help
>but picturing MP in the role..the only problem was the Dudley- Dooright voice
>change when he became Hyde....but it WAS fun picturing MP with LONGGGG
>flowing hair......flipping it to and fro...) LOL!!
Chuck is the big hunky guy in the Zyban ads. Among other roles, he was the
Beast for quite a while in Beauty and the Beast, and can be seen as the
Prince Who Isn't Robert Westenberg in the video of "Into the Woods".
DR
>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:49:03 -0500
At 05:22 PM 8/28/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>my theory is that she did it all in the name of pro
>choice.
Keep it to yourself. I for one am not interested in this particular bee in
your bonnet.
DR <-- pro-choice and proud
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Check out Academy of Television Arts & Sciences-Emmy pgm
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:13:28 EDT
Ina:
Thanks so much for the info......
Regards,
Barbara
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: MP: Emmy
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:49:44 -0800
MP not only did not win the Emmy, but he was a no-show at the ceremony
(unless he was hiding somewhere). So don't be too eager to watch the
Creative Awards on HBO plus if you only want to see it for MP. (Perhaps
if the Frasier people had been there? Perhaps MP is in NY this weekend.)
Only Edward Herrmann (very deserving of the award I must say) and Tony
Danza from the Guest Actor in a Drama category showed up at the ceremony.
(A dejected Tony Danza, who tried hard to look nonchalant while keeping his
head down, left the ceremony almost immediately thereafter.)
Someone gave me free tix yesterday after Joanne and I had been inquiring
about the price and availability of tix to the public. It was pretty
interesting to see an Emmy Awards show (albeit the more technical awards)
from the audience. David E. Kelley was at the ceremony (though not
onstage). There were actors from The Practice and Ally McBeal at the
after-dinner party (among many others). Peter MacNicol (who was carrying
the script he is directing from Ally this week around with him) and his
wife were also there. (Lots and lots of food and drink and complimentary
souvenirs!)
One comedian was doing a bit shortly after the Guest Actor in a Drama Award
and he joked that he had just come from backstage where he had been
consoling a bawling Mandy Patinkin..... Not amusing.
If you are curious about the Emmy programs that Ina posted about--they
include the nominees for all categories. On Mandy's page is a small photo
of each of the nominated actors. Mandy's photo is of Dr. Geiger from the
second season of Hope.
phantm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Austin
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:52:03 +0200
Could any1 tell me what happened with Christine Lahti on the Emmys?
Thanx!
Nina
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Emmy
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:49:04 EDT
In a message dated 8/29/99 1:46:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< MP not only did not win the Emmy, but he was a no-show at the ceremony
(unless he was hiding somewhere). >>
Probably cuz you knocked him down and got his ticket!! LOLOL
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Emmy
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
What! A bad joke about Mandy and you both just sat there? Saying
NOTHING????? And the possibility of consoling him backstage...you
should have called KathiJo so she could have taken care of things and
him. :o)
Renee- :o) picturing two women dressed to the nines charging the bad
comedian and Kathi Jo consoling Mandy
--- phantm wrote:
> MP not only did not win the Emmy, but he was a
> no-show at the ceremony
> (unless he was hiding somewhere). So don't be too
> eager to watch the
> Creative Awards on HBO plus if you only want to see
> it for MP. (Perhaps
> if the Frasier people had been there? Perhaps MP is
> in NY this weekend.)
> Only Edward Herrmann (very deserving of the award I
> must say) and Tony
> Danza from the Guest Actor in a Drama category
> showed up at the ceremony.
> (A dejected Tony Danza, who tried hard to look
> nonchalant while keeping his
> head down, left the ceremony almost immediately
> thereafter.)
>
> Someone gave me free tix yesterday after Joanne and
> I had been inquiring
> about the price and availability of tix to the
> public. It was pretty
> interesting to see an Emmy Awards show (albeit the
> more technical awards)
> from the audience. David E. Kelley was at the
> ceremony (though not
> onstage). There were actors from The Practice and
> Ally McBeal at the
> after-dinner party (among many others). Peter
> MacNicol (who was carrying
> the script he is directing from Ally this week
> around with him) and his
> wife were also there. (Lots and lots of food and
> drink and complimentary
> souvenirs!)
>
> One comedian was doing a bit shortly after the Guest
> Actor in a Drama Award
> and he joked that he had just come from backstage
> where he had been
> consoling a bawling Mandy Patinkin..... Not
> amusing.
>
>
> If you are curious about the Emmy programs that Ina
> posted about--they
> include the nominees for all categories. On Mandy's
> page is a small photo
> of each of the nominated actors. Mandy's photo is
> of Dr. Geiger from the
> second season of Hope.
>
> phantm
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> Mandy Patinkin Showcase
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> http://www.mandypatinkin.net
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>
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Subject: Re: MP: Emmy
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:35:44 -0800
At 10:49 AM -0400 8/29/99, [email protected] wrote:
>In a message dated 8/29/99 1:46:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
><< MP not only did not win the Emmy, but he was a no-show at the ceremony
> (unless he was hiding somewhere). >>
>Probably cuz you knocked him down and got his ticket!! LOLOL
Well, the man could have sat in my lap!!
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