Subject: Mail digest
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:50:24 +0200 (METDST)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:33:49 EDT
In a message dated 8/29/99 12:49:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
KJ, I don't know that this issue can or should be divided down party lines.
But it's inappropriate on this list to bash other list members' ideologies >>
Wasn't aware that I * bashed * anyone. I was simply putting in my two cents
on my take of the movie. Seemed to me more a stimulating conversation about
the events than a * war * like you stated. Din, chill.
KJ<~~knows every man has his faults, as does my liberal Mandy.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:40:37 EDT
In a message dated 8/29/99 12:49:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Keep it to yourself. I for one am not interested in this particular bee in
your bonnet.
DR <-- pro-choice and proud
>>
Bee in my bonnet ????? Pahhhleeezzz.. I cant state my idea about her
motivations but you can state your stance on the issue? What kinda
hypocritical BS is this? By the way its not like I pulled it out of the sky,
it was a very widely felt assumption made at the time of the events. Were we
discussing the movie or was it my imagination?
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:57:13 EDT
In a message dated 8/29/99 12:49:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Keep it to yourself. I for one am not interested in this particular bee in
your bonnet.
DR <-- pro-choice and proud
>>
Geez , did you wake up on the wrong side of the slab today or what?
And just for the record I am SO not interested in your stand on that issue. I
have no interest in discussing it here or anywhere else. Its a fruitless
effort that only seems to get people upset. The issue is one thing, the movie
is another. IMHO.
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
And if Kathryn woke up one day and was suddenly a conservative, then
I'd bet a million dollars that the Man would be one too!
Renee- who for the record is neither a conservative nor a liberal
--- [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/29/99 12:49:14 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> KJ, I don't know that this issue can or should be
> divided down party lines.
> But it's inappropriate on this list to bash other
> list members' ideologies >>
>
> Wasn't aware that I * bashed * anyone. I was simply
> putting in my two cents
> on my take of the movie. Seemed to me more a
> stimulating conversation about
> the events than a * war * like you stated. Din,
> chill.
> KJ<~~knows every man has his faults, as does my
> liberal Mandy.
>
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: An Inside Look at the Emmys - LONG
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:10:48 -0700
Renee wrote:
>
>What! A bad joke about Mandy and you both just sat there? Saying
>NOTHING????? And the possibility of consoling him backstage
To tell you the truth, I wanted to smack the comedian and everyone who
laughed. I did not find it in the least bit amusing to make fun of someone
(ANYONE) who had just lost / failed to win an award. And to take a pot shot
at Mandy really got me steamed! In that respect (and that respect only), we
were glad Mandy wasn't there to hear the joke. And Mandy gets the last
laugh anyway since he's got a hot career and the comedian has a show on HBO
that only airs at midnight! And Mandy already has an Emmy. So there!!!
:-)
And no Renee, not even Kathy Jo could have consoled him backstage because HE
WASN'T THERE. And believe me, Tanja and I would have known if he had been.
We spent a considerable amount of time looking for him (well, you had to do
something to stay awake while they were announcing the awards for
"Outstanding Lighting Direction (Electronic) For a Drama Series, Variety
Series, Miniseries, Movie or a Special" and "Outstanding Achievement in
Non-Fiction Programming - Sound Mixing")!
We did manage to see the few celebrities that were there -- besides the ones
onstage presenting awards and the previously-mentioned David Kelley, we saw
Kathy Bates, Christine Baranski, Edward Hermann, Debbie Allen, Don Knotts,
Penn and Teller, and Charles Nelson Reilly all walking and milling around
outside the theatre afterwards. It was the perfect Emmys show to attend if
you were an outsider like we were because most of the people there were
technical people. All you had to do was get gussied up and you fit right
in! We got in the long line of cars and limos pulling up in front of the
auditorium, valet parked (complimentary), and walked right up the red carpet
like everyone else!
Afterwards we went downstairs to the dinner/dance that was included in the
price of the ticket. We found our table and chatted with a woman from
Warner and her date. All the tables were numbered and there were alphabetic
lists at each table with all the attendees names and their table number so
if you were looking for someone, you could find them (there were 300 - 400
tables in the room). That included all the celebrities. We checked - no
Mandy Patinkin.
The best part of the evening happened when we decided to get up and walk
around. We had just gotten to the middle of the room where all the
celebrities were and there was Lucy Liu and Jane Krowkosky from Ally McBeal.
We had seen Steve Harris, Kelli Williams, and Michael Badalucco from The
Practice outside before the show. Suddenly we're face to face with Michael
Badalucco and Tanja puts her hand on his shoulder and said something about
good luck on his emmy nomination and then I just reached out and shook his
hand and said something to the same effect. The poor guy had no idea who we
were but he looked pleased and thanked us sincerely. That was the neat
thing about this event -- the celebrities were totally approachable and
relaxed and didn't look at you like you didn't belong there -- they assumed
you did. I doubt that the PrimeTime Emmy parties would be the same!
Anyway, we turned around and Tanja spotted Peter MacNicol and his wife,
Marsue. Peter had given some awards earlier but we had assumed he had left
because he never came out into the audience. Tanja went up and said hi to
them, introduced me, and then we just stood there and talked to them for at
least 10 minutes, maybe more. It turns out Peter had spent most of the show
backstage in the green room studying his current script because he's in the
middle of directing his third show. And it's not been going well and he is
having a tough time with it. And we talked about how directing has taught
him a lot about acting and now he's learning about cameras. And he doesn't
think he's going to win the Emmy and he is a little uncomfortable talking
about his chances (because he has been passed over so much in the past and
just doesn't think he can win). I asked what episodes he had submitted for
the Emmy nomination and he said the Barry White one and the one where he
kept going around asking everyone if they noticed the difference in him. He
said that he thought the nominees should be judged on their whole season,
not just on one or two episodes which might not be a true indication of
their overall work for that year, which I totally agree with. Marsue said
that it's difficult to be in the comedy category because the other shows are
all about being funny all the time and Ally McBeal is sometimes funny and
sometimes dramatic. So it's awkward to compete with the others and to find
really funny moments to submit. At one point, someone carrying an Emmy came
over to speak with Peter. Marsue asked if she could hold the Emmy and he
gave it to her. Then Tanja and I each got to hold it for a minute and the
three of us were remarking on its weight and how sharp and potentially
dangerous the points on the figure's wings were (I believe Mandy made some
comment to that effect years ago when he won his). Anyway, Peter wouldn't
touch the Emmy, wouldn't look at it, wouldn't go near it! Eventually I
asked if I could take his picture (since I'm never without my camera) and so
I got a picture of Marsue and Peter and then Marsue took a picture of Tanja
and I with Peter. We said goodbye and he said how nice it was to meet me
(hmm, I don't remember Mandy EVER telling me that - LOL). Then we went back
to our table. It was such a treat to meet him -- he and his wife are so
sweet and he is incredibly easy to talk to. And extremely self-deprecating
and humble. And short! (especially since we were in heels) ...
And we were s-o-o-o-o very sorry that Mandy wasn't there because we
certainly would have had the opportunity to speak with him in that
environment. Plus it would have been wonderful to see him dressed up for a
change. Oh well, we had a terrific time anyway.
And that was our big brush with Hollywood! I hope this wasn't too long and
detailed but I thought some of you might get a kick out of knowing a little
of what these things are like (since I myself have always wondered). Plus
I'm trying to help you kill time while waiting for 8 p.m. and Strange
Justice to get here!
:-)) Joanne
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mandy and Fireman's Fund
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:34:52 -0700
> As far as intelligence, Sharon mentioned she was embarrassed that Mandy
> didn't know that Fireman's Fund was about insurance, not firemen. Not me!
I
> didn't know either....so I don't consider that any measure of intelligence
> :> >>
Kathy Jo replied:
>How do you think the owners of the insurance company felt! I would blame
his
>personal secretary for this, she should have made sure he knew, I bet he
felt
>a bit embarrassed as would we all had it been us.
Actually I believe someone told him of his error at the backstage "party"
afterwards. And he cracked up! At least I THINK that's what he was
laughing so hard about!
But in my opinion, KJ is right. How was he supposed to know what Fireman's
Fund was? It was his staff's job to give him the background he needed for
the event. Which they clearly didn't. So he ended up inadvertently
insulting them by telling a story about firemen instead (it was actually a
very cute story about meeting with firemen for preparing his role in Music
of Chance). If I had been him, I would have had a very serious conversation
with the responsible parties afterwards about their duties and
responsibilities and how they had failed and embarassed him. (Even though
he is so charming and gracious that he probably won over the FF people
anyway.)
/ Joanne
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mandy and His Voting Record
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:40:27 -0700
Diane wrote:
>And in case this wasn't public knowledge already, next time Mandy is
>whispering sweet nothings in your ear, ask him to murmur his voting record.
>I hope when you guys bill and coo you can get over his being a very, very,
>very liberal Democrat...
Diane, I don't doubt for a minute that he is liberal. He's certainly made
enough statements over the years to show that. But maybe I'm
misunderstanding your comment. You write as though you know how he has
voted. The last time I checked, voting was confidential. Do you know
something we don't?
/ Joanne
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: An Inside Look at the Emmys - LONG
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:42:56 -0700 (PDT)
So did you rent a limo? That was a great description and I'm glad to
hear about Peter Mac Nichol. I really like the fact that he's humble. I
thought the same thing when Mandy won and ET asked him if he thought
he'd win, and he said he put $200 on Dennis Franz to win so he would at
least have some money if he didn't have the emmy.
As for the joke about Mandy...that was soooo tacky. I agree that it is
inappropriate to make fun of anyone like that. Didn't you just want to
"BOOOOOOOOO" when the guy said that? or at least " WELL AT LEAST HE'S
PRIME TIME!!!!!" Didn't anyone ask what you two did in the industry?
Usually at a party, that is the first question.
Renee- a little green with envy
--- Joanne Cochran wrote:
> Renee wrote:
>
>
> >
> >What! A bad joke about Mandy and you both just sat
> there? Saying
> >NOTHING????? And the possibility of consoling him
> backstage
>
> To tell you the truth, I wanted to smack the
> comedian and everyone who
> laughed. I did not find it in the least bit amusing
> to make fun of someone
> (ANYONE) who had just lost / failed to win an award.
> And to take a pot shot
> at Mandy really got me steamed! In that respect
> (and that respect only), we
> were glad Mandy wasn't there to hear the joke. And
> Mandy gets the last
> laugh anyway since he's got a hot career and the
> comedian has a show on HBO
> that only airs at midnight! And Mandy already has
> an Emmy. So there!!!
> :-)
>
> And no Renee, not even Kathy Jo could have consoled
> him backstage because HE
> WASN'T THERE. And believe me, Tanja and I would
> have known if he had been.
> We spent a considerable amount of time looking for
> him (well, you had to do
> something to stay awake while they were announcing
> the awards for
> "Outstanding Lighting Direction (Electronic) For a
> Drama Series, Variety
> Series, Miniseries, Movie or a Special" and
> "Outstanding Achievement in
> Non-Fiction Programming - Sound Mixing")!
>
> We did manage to see the few celebrities that were
> there -- besides the ones
> onstage presenting awards and the
> previously-mentioned David Kelley, we saw
> Kathy Bates, Christine Baranski, Edward Hermann,
> Debbie Allen, Don Knotts,
> Penn and Teller, and Charles Nelson Reilly all
> walking and milling around
> outside the theatre afterwards. It was the perfect
> Emmys show to attend if
> you were an outsider like we were because most of
> the people there were
> technical people. All you had to do was get gussied
> up and you fit right
> in! We got in the long line of cars and limos
> pulling up in front of the
> auditorium, valet parked (complimentary), and walked
> right up the red carpet
> like everyone else!
>
> Afterwards we went downstairs to the dinner/dance
> that was included in the
> price of the ticket. We found our table and chatted
> with a woman from
> Warner and her date. All the tables were numbered
> and there were alphabetic
> lists at each table with all the attendees names and
> their table number so
> if you were looking for someone, you could find them
> (there were 300 - 400
> tables in the room). That included all the
> celebrities. We checked - no
> Mandy Patinkin.
>
> The best part of the evening happened when we
> decided to get up and walk
> around. We had just gotten to the middle of the
> room where all the
> celebrities were and there was Lucy Liu and Jane
> Krowkosky from Ally McBeal.
> We had seen Steve Harris, Kelli Williams, and
> Michael Badalucco from The
> Practice outside before the show. Suddenly we're
> face to face with Michael
> Badalucco and Tanja puts her hand on his shoulder
> and said something about
> good luck on his emmy nomination and then I just
> reached out and shook his
> hand and said something to the same effect. The
> poor guy had no idea who we
> were but he looked pleased and thanked us sincerely.
> That was the neat
> thing about this event -- the celebrities were
> totally approachable and
> relaxed and didn't look at you like you didn't
> belong there -- they assumed
> you did. I doubt that the PrimeTime Emmy parties
> would be the same!
>
> Anyway, we turned around and Tanja spotted Peter
> MacNicol and his wife,
> Marsue. Peter had given some awards earlier but we
> had assumed he had left
> because he never came out into the audience. Tanja
> went up and said hi to
> them, introduced me, and then we just stood there
> and talked to them for at
> least 10 minutes, maybe more. It turns out Peter
> had spent most of the show
> backstage in the green room studying his current
> script because he's in the
> middle of directing his third show. And it's not
> been going well and he is
> having a tough time with it. And we talked about
> how directing has taught
> him a lot about acting and now he's learning about
> cameras. And he doesn't
> think he's going to win the Emmy and he is a little
> uncomfortable talking
> about his chances (because he has been passed over
> so much in the past and
> just doesn't think he can win). I asked what
> episodes he had submitted for
> the Emmy nomination and he said the Barry White one
> and the one where he
> kept going around asking everyone if they noticed
> the difference in him. He
> said that he thought the nominees should be judged
> on their whole season,
> not just on one or two episodes which might not be a
> true indication of
> their overall work for that year, which I totally
> agree with. Marsue said
> that it's difficult to be in the comedy category
> because the other shows are
> all about being funny all the time and Ally McBeal
> is sometimes funny and
> sometimes dramatic. So it's awkward to compete with
> the others and to find
> really funny moments to submit. At one point,
> someone carrying an Emmy came
> over to speak with Peter. Marsue asked if she could
> hold the Emmy and he
> gave it to her. Then Tanja and I each got to hold
> it for a minute and the
> three of us were remarking on its weight and how
> sharp and potentially
> dangerous the points on the figure's wings were (I
> believe Mandy made some
> comment to that effect years ago when he won his).
> Anyway, Peter wouldn't
> touch the Emmy, wouldn't look at it, wouldn't go
> near it! Eventually I
> asked if I could take his picture (since I'm never
> without my camera) and so
> I got a picture of Marsue and Peter and then Marsue
> took a picture of Tanja
> and I with Peter. We said goodbye and he said how
> nice it was to meet me
> (hmm, I don't remember Mandy EVER telling me that -
> LOL). Then we went back
> to our table. It was such a treat to meet him -- he
> and his wife are so
> sweet and he is incredibly easy to talk to. And
> extremely self-deprecating
> and humble. And short! (especially since we were
> in heels) ...
>
> And we were s-o-o-o-o very sorry that Mandy wasn't
> there because we
> certainly would have had the opportunity to speak
> with him in that
> environment. Plus it would have been wonderful to
> see him dressed up for a
> change. Oh well, we had a terrific time anyway.
>
> And that was our big brush with Hollywood! I hope
> this wasn't too long and
> detailed but I thought some of you might get a kick
> out of knowing a little
> of what these things are like (since I myself have
> always wondered). Plus
> I'm trying to help you kill time while waiting for 8
> p.m. and Strange
> Justice to get here!
>
> :-)) Joanne
>
>
>
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: MP - Another SJ Review
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:30:12 -0400 (EDT)
I just happened to catch John Leonard on CBS's Sunday Morning this AM
giving a review of SJ. The review included several shots of MP. He
looked great! He was wearing a suit and he had on glasses. Here is the
text of the review ( which is located at -
http://db.cbs.com/prd1/now/template.display?p_story=179858&p_who=network
):
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not long after two Wall Street Journal journalists, Jane Mayer and Jill
Abramson, wrote a best-selling book called Strange Justice, about
Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill and the Senate Judiciary Committee,
everybody seemed to want to turn it into some sort of movie, but somehow
nobody ever did.
Ted Turner passed, and likewise, Rupert Murdoch, and so at last, like
other such homeless orphans as Dorothy Allison's Bastard Out of Carolina
and Adrian Lyne's rendition of Lolita, Strange Justice has ended up on
Showtime cable. Director Ernest Dickerson and screenwriter Jacob
Epstein have turned a fine book into a superb docudrama.
Although it probably won't change anybody's mind about who was telling
the truth about Long Dong Silver, The Exorcist and pubic hair in a can
of Coke, it certainly ought to give everyone pause, to the point of
nausea, about a process in which truth itself was irrelevant.
When I tell you that Regina Taylor plays Anita Hill, you will
immediately assume that the movie's stacked in her favor. Taylor, from
the NBC television series I'll Fly Away, embodies contemplative steel,
ferocious thoughtfulness and hesitant heroism. She has a built-in
needle that invariably points true north on any moral compass. She wants
to be anywhere else but Washington, talking to these senators who are
willing themselves to believe the worst rumors about her, from
psycho-slut to radical lesbianism. But she is matched here dramatically
by Delroy Lindo as Clarence Thomas, who has come too far and so close,
to admit even to himself that maybe affirmative action had anything to
do with his trajectory and who agrees not to express a public opinion on
anything from natural law to Roe vs. Wade.
They are assisted in the surreal theater of the committee hearings by
Mandy Patinkin as Kenneth Duberstein, the arm twister deployed by the
Bush administration to win at any cost; by Paul Winfield as Thurgood
Marshall, the soap opera-watching Supreme Court justice whose seat
Thomas seeks to fill; and by Louis Gossett Jr., as a cigar-smoking
Beltway Mr. Fix-It.
But even as everybody else is using them for different agendas, they are
alone in their own raw memories and shifting accommodations. As in a
play by Samuel Beckett, they seem to be fugitives from themselves on
some spectral moonscape. When Lindo's Thomas complains of a high-tech
lynching, we actually see him strip himself of his shirt and hang
himself with his tie. Sexual harassment is no longer the issue, nor even
the white culture's sick fantasies about the black body. At issue - and
you can almost read its beastly sign on Patinkin's face, ambivalence
that approximates self-loathing - is the power to dispose, the winning
trick.
Not many senators will be happy about how they're portrayed on Showtime.
Quite a few didn't even try for reelection. Although the polls
immediately after the hearings supported Thomas, the public temper since
has swung towards Hill, or at least toward a disquieting sense of why so
many women with careers to lose remain silent so long after they've
learned the grubby truth about male entitlement - about how casually
power corrupts, and how blithely the corrupt abuse it, and how strangely
blind we are to justice as we maneuver for partisan position, as we grab
ourselves a locker-room edge.
Written by John Leonard. Copyright 1999 CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights
Reserved.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kathy~~~~~~>So jealous of those of you with ShowTime!! (He really looked
GOOD!)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP - Another SJ Review
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
I couldn't believe the TV booklets that came with the Sunday
papers...not a picture of SJ in either one. The desription is very
slight and says starring Mandy Patinkin. Both featured the HBO special
of Cher at the MGM.
--- kathy s wrote:
> I just happened to catch John Leonard on CBS's
> Sunday Morning this AM
> giving a review of SJ. The review included several
> shots of MP. He
> looked great! He was wearing a suit and he had on
> glasses. Here is the
> text of the review ( which is located at -
>
http://db.cbs.com/prd1/now/template.display?p_story=179858&p_who=network
> ):
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Not long after two Wall Street Journal journalists,
> Jane Mayer and Jill
> Abramson, wrote a best-selling book called Strange
> Justice, about
> Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill and the Senate Judiciary
> Committee,
> everybody seemed to want to turn it into some sort
> of movie, but somehow
> nobody ever did.
>
> Ted Turner passed, and likewise, Rupert Murdoch, and
> so at last, like
> other such homeless orphans as Dorothy Allison's
> Bastard Out of Carolina
> and Adrian Lyne's rendition of Lolita, Strange
> Justice has ended up on
> Showtime cable. Director Ernest Dickerson and
> screenwriter Jacob
> Epstein have turned a fine book into a superb
> docudrama.
>
> Although it probably won't change anybody's mind
> about who was telling
> the truth about Long Dong Silver, The Exorcist and
> pubic hair in a can
> of Coke, it certainly ought to give everyone pause,
> to the point of
> nausea, about a process in which truth itself was
> irrelevant.
>
> When I tell you that Regina Taylor plays Anita Hill,
> you will
> immediately assume that the movie's stacked in her
> favor. Taylor, from
> the NBC television series I'll Fly Away, embodies
> contemplative steel,
> ferocious thoughtfulness and hesitant heroism. She
> has a built-in
> needle that invariably points true north on any
> moral compass. She wants
> to be anywhere else but Washington, talking to these
> senators who are
> willing themselves to believe the worst rumors about
> her, from
> psycho-slut to radical lesbianism. But she is
> matched here dramatically
> by Delroy Lindo as Clarence Thomas, who has come too
> far and so close,
> to admit even to himself that maybe affirmative
> action had anything to
> do with his trajectory and who agrees not to express
> a public opinion on
> anything from natural law to Roe vs. Wade.
>
> They are assisted in the surreal theater of the
> committee hearings by
> Mandy Patinkin as Kenneth Duberstein, the arm
> twister deployed by the
> Bush administration to win at any cost; by Paul
> Winfield as Thurgood
> Marshall, the soap opera-watching Supreme Court
> justice whose seat
> Thomas seeks to fill; and by Louis Gossett Jr., as a
> cigar-smoking
> Beltway Mr. Fix-It.
>
> But even as everybody else is using them for
> different agendas, they are
> alone in their own raw memories and shifting
> accommodations. As in a
> play by Samuel Beckett, they seem to be fugitives
> from themselves on
> some spectral moonscape. When Lindo's Thomas
> complains of a high-tech
> lynching, we actually see him strip himself of his
> shirt and hang
> himself with his tie. Sexual harassment is no longer
> the issue, nor even
> the white culture's sick fantasies about the black
> body. At issue - and
> you can almost read its beastly sign on Patinkin's
> face, ambivalence
> that approximates self-loathing - is the power to
> dispose, the winning
> trick.
>
> Not many senators will be happy about how they're
> portrayed on Showtime.
> Quite a few didn't even try for reelection.
> Although the polls
> immediately after the hearings supported Thomas, the
> public temper since
> has swung towards Hill, or at least toward a
> disquieting sense of why so
> many women with careers to lose remain silent so
> long after they've
> learned the grubby truth about male entitlement -
> about how casually
> power corrupts, and how blithely the corrupt abuse
> it, and how strangely
> blind we are to justice as we maneuver for partisan
> position, as we grab
> ourselves a locker-room edge.
>
> Written by John Leonard. Copyright 1999 CBS
> Worldwide Inc. All Rights
> Reserved.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Kathy~~~~~~>So jealous of those of you with
> ShowTime!! (He really looked
> GOOD!)
>
>
>
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP - Another SJ Review
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:04:19 EDT
In a message dated 8/29/99 3:53:17 PM, [email protected] writes:
<< The desription is very
slight and says starring Mandy Patinkin. Both featured the HBO special
of Cher at the MGM. >>
well, shoot..what is more important in the large scheme of things? A 53 year
old "rockstar" in a "comeback" or a 46 yr old Broadway singer, actor in a TV
movie? I imagune HBO has a bit more clout than Showtime with the
newsrags..but then again, that is ONLY my OPINION!!!!! LOLOL
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy and His Voting Record
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:49:24 -0500
At 02:40 PM 8/29/99 -0700, Joanne Cochran wrote:
>Diane, I don't doubt for a minute that he is liberal. He's certainly made
>enough statements over the years to show that. But maybe I'm
>misunderstanding your comment. You write as though you know how he has
>voted. The last time I checked, voting was confidential. Do you know
>something we don't?
Obviously! ;) I know he performed at fundraisers for Michael Dukakis, from
which I *infer* that he voted for him, and he mentioned at a concert once
that he'd voted for Clinton. Aside from that his expressed stance on various
issues has always seemed liberal.
DR
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy & SJ
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:49:23 -0500
At 02:40 PM 8/29/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>Bee in my bonnet ????? Pahhhleeezzz.. I cant state my idea about her
>motivations but you can state your stance on the issue?
Hey, your comments made YOUR stance on the issue all too clear.
>What kinda hypocritical BS is this?
I dunno. You tell me.
>By the way its not like I pulled it out of the sky,
>it was a very widely felt assumption made at the time of the events.
Okay, so it's a *mass* bee in the bonnet. Still bogus and historically not a
good topic for list discussion.
>Were we
>discussing the movie or was it my imagination?
No, actually we were not discussing the movie, since we had not yet seen it.
We were discussing the issue of courageous Anita Hill vs. scumbag Clarence
Thomas.
DR <-- oops, did I do it again?
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Laura's Quote of the Day
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:34:34 EDT
Jeffrey: "Oh, Otis Redding...........we're saved."
Aaron: "Please don't put Otis Redding on now! This was Camille's favorite
album. This was her favorite song!"
Jeffrey: "You know how happy songs make you sad? Sad songs make you happy.
It's a fact. It's like the counter-effect."
Aaron: "Why are you doing this? We used to listen to this song together all
the time."
Jeffrey: "It doesn't matter. It's beautiful. We sing, surrender to the
misery- suddenly we feel better."
- from the CH episode "With the Greatest of
Ease"
Laura :)
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Subject:
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:18:08 -0700
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Subject: MP: More recipes from Mandy's mom
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:34:03 -0400
It looks like Mandy's mom has been busy putting together a new cookbook!
According to the amazon.com web site, it's called "Grandma Doralee
Patinkin's Jewish Holiday Cookbook : A Lifetime of Recipes for Special
Occasions All Year Round." It's a 288 page hardcover book and will be
published in October. Mandy is listed as a contributor -- such a good son.
-Char
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"The blood, sweat, tears, and joys of my past
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Subject: re: Mandy in Strange Justice
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:26:26 EDT
Hi all,
Just finished watching Mandy in Strange Justice, as a bunch of us have done.
Mandy has a good role and a lot of screen time. I thought he did a great job,
as always! Nice suit, too. Did like those scenes with him in his jammies,
though......
----C
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Subject: Strange Justice thoughts
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:56:55 -0400
I just finished watching Strange Justice. Political drama is not usually my
cup of tea, but I enjoyed this. I thought the film was very intense,
dramatic, stylized (very interesting camera work), thought provoking -
actually got more out of it the second time around since I suppose I was
mostly just watching for "Mandy content" the first time through. Speaking
of Mandy, he had lots of screen time (yea!) and did a great job! Terrific
performances all around. Loved the scene in the limo when he was wearing
those 2 pair of glasses.....brought back concert memories of him reading the
Kidult lyrics on stage this past spring. Also loved it when he briefly wore
no glasses.....very handsome. He dressed really nice too, right from his
suits to his jammies. Last, but not least, where can I sign up for one of
those foot massages like he gave his wife in the film? ;)
Hope you all get to see this movie soon!
-Char
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Mandy Patinkin - High Flying Adored
http://home.att.net/~mosert/char/mandy.htm
"The blood, sweat, tears, and joys of my past
make up the compositions that create the music of my heart....."
Mandy Patinkin
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Jekyll & Hyde..Off
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT)
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 [email protected] wrote:
> Saw J and H today..was NOT looking forward to it at all and was pleasantly
> surprised. (anyone know anything of Chuck Wagner..the lead?) I couldn't help
> but picturing MP in the role..the only problem was the Dudley- Dooright voice
> change when he became Hyde....but it WAS fun picturing MP with LONGGGG
> flowing hair......flipping it to and fro...) LOL!!
>
I told you I had heard good things about this show...but does she *ever*
listen to me...NO
Glad you had a good time Nag!
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Strange Justice thoughts
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:13:10 -0400
Hi all, Strange Justice is a good (albeit unusual) movie. MP is excellent
as are Lindo and Taylor (they should all have shots at Emmy noms - although
I wonder if Mandy would be categorized as a featured performer as opposed to
the lead to strengthen his chances). I must say that I am always amazed at
how much better Mandy looks in person than on tv - he looks about 20 pounds
heavier than when I saw him at the concert in Boston in April and he has a
terribly unflattering haircut. C'est la vie - at least we know he always
looks good as Geiger! Mary
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From: Char
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:56 PM
Subject: Strange Justice thoughts
> I just finished watching Strange Justice. Political drama is not usually
my
> cup of tea, but I enjoyed this. I thought the film was very intense,
> dramatic, stylized (very interesting camera work), thought provoking -
> actually got more out of it the second time around since I suppose I was
> mostly just watching for "Mandy content" the first time through. Speaking
> of Mandy, he had lots of screen time (yea!) and did a great job! Terrific
> performances all around. Loved the scene in the limo when he was wearing
> those 2 pair of glasses.....brought back concert memories of him reading
the
> Kidult lyrics on stage this past spring. Also loved it when he briefly
wore
> no glasses.....very handsome. He dressed really nice too, right from his
> suits to his jammies. Last, but not least, where can I sign up for one of
> those foot massages like he gave his wife in the film? ;)
>
> Hope you all get to see this movie soon!
>
> -Char
>
> ********************************************************************
> Mandy Patinkin - High Flying Adored
> http://home.att.net/~mosert/char/mandy.htm
>
> "The blood, sweat, tears, and joys of my past
> make up the compositions that create the music of my heart....."
> Mandy Patinkin
> ********************************************************************
>
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Strange Justice thoughts
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:18:00 -0400
Oops! I forgot to add one other comment about Mandy's performance in SJ to
my last post. I love the way Mandy uses food as a prop in his roles - the
scene of him cutting up the sandwich and making chocolate milk at the
beginning of SJ are priceless. There are two or three other scenes
involving Mandy and food. I remember that Geiger was always munching on
something in the early shows of CH and there are lots of instances in
Mandy's movies and other roles when he uses food as a prop or a way of
bringing out his characters' personalities. Just a thought! Mary
----- Original Message -----
From: Char
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:56 PM
Subject: Strange Justice thoughts
> I just finished watching Strange Justice. Political drama is not usually
my
> cup of tea, but I enjoyed this. I thought the film was very intense,
> dramatic, stylized (very interesting camera work), thought provoking -
> actually got more out of it the second time around since I suppose I was
> mostly just watching for "Mandy content" the first time through. Speaking
> of Mandy, he had lots of screen time (yea!) and did a great job! Terrific
> performances all around. Loved the scene in the limo when he was wearing
> those 2 pair of glasses.....brought back concert memories of him reading
the
> Kidult lyrics on stage this past spring. Also loved it when he briefly
wore
> no glasses.....very handsome. He dressed really nice too, right from his
> suits to his jammies. Last, but not least, where can I sign up for one of
> those foot massages like he gave his wife in the film? ;)
>
> Hope you all get to see this movie soon!
>
> -Char
>
> ********************************************************************
> Mandy Patinkin - High Flying Adored
> http://home.att.net/~mosert/char/mandy.htm
>
> "The blood, sweat, tears, and joys of my past
> make up the compositions that create the music of my heart....."
> Mandy Patinkin
> ********************************************************************
>
>
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Subject: Re: Jekyll & Hyde..Off -Reply
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:33:36 -0500
>>> "Marianne S. Baker" 08/30/99 12:59pm >>>
>I told you I had heard good things about this show...but >does she *ever* =
listen to me...NO
Bit of a shameless plug for another vocal virtuoso here. If at all =
possible, listen to the studio concept recording of this. I've heard that =
the songs that were later changed for the stage version are *not* an =
improvement, and however good Chuck Wagner, or Robert Cuccioli, the =
original stage J/H, might be, they are not Anthony Warlow, who sings the =
role with great power (and breath control -- NOBODY can hold a note like =
this man, not even, er, The Man. ;)) He switches from role to role by =
coarsening and changing the timbre of his voice slightly - no Dudley =
Doright here!=20
Beware, however, of the recording featuring Colm Wilkinson. It just does =
not measure up!
DR
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