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Subject: Check out Spelling Test OFF
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:22:46 EST
Click here: Spelling
Test
http://www.sentex.net/~mmcadams/spelling.html
ok check THIS out....I pride myself on spelling usually...and I missed
several....
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Subject: MP - Charleston
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:25:09 -0500 (EST)
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I received my tickets in the mail today for Mandy's concert in
Charleston on December 18th!! I am so thrilled. I ordered these
tickets (through my friend in Charleston) several weeks ago and was
beginning to worry!! Now - the excitement begins! Well, actually, I was
already very excited! The tickets say "C - H - 11" and then 12, and 13.
Not sure which row this is - I will check with my friend. (She had said
they would be "around 6th or 7th row".) Sounds more like about 8th row -
but I'm not complaining! The theater only seats about 800.
The tickets mentioned "The Post and Courier" - so I went to their site
and found this in the community calendar:
"Dec. 18: The Charleston Chapter of Hadassah presents Mandy Patinkin in
concert with pianist Paul Ford in a special performance to benefit the
Hadassah Medical Organization sponsored by The Post and Courier and the
Yaschik-Arnold Jewish Studies Program at the College of Charleston.
Sottile Theatre, College of Charleston, 44 George St. 8 p.m. Call
883-9308 or 763-6644 for tickets or information."
Well, just had to share my GOOD news!! Let's see......17 days....and
counting!!
Kathy (BTW - I don't think I'll be able to see him after the concert.
There is a benefit reception following the concert and tickets to that
were $500!!)
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:35:50 EST
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In a message dated 12/1/99 3:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected]
writes:
> Yes. You missed the overthrow. Now all posts regarding Mandy must be
clearly
> marked "OFF" or you will be expelled from the list.
>
> Dinny Gump <-- sarcastic is as sarcastic does
>
ROFLMAO
Michelle
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Subject: Re: What does Katheryn Grody look like?
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:49:52 -0800
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[email protected] wrote:
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> but I would like to know a bit about his wife Kathryn Grody. I cannot
> seem to imagine what she looks like and cannot find a photo of her anywhere
> that looks like anything.
If you look VERY closely at her face, I believe you can see the words
'the luckiest woman alive' written on it. If not, it sure as hell should
be! Laurie
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:06:21 -0000
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Doesn't Mandy have huge feet!
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> this pic is taken from Phantm's site.
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> Poutchy
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Subject: Lifetime Hopes
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:59:13 EST
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I may have missed a post, but don't think anyone has noted that Hopes have
started over on Lifetime. Baboon heart tonight (Wednesday).
:-> Wendy
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The show will rerun Friday evening 7:00 P.M. central
time. I just saw the preview.
Karen
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I don't think they are running in order. As per my TV Guide, tomorrow's
episode is the one where Austin returns after her suspension. I believe she
did not come back until after Jeffrey left the show.
Regards,
Helaine
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Subject: A cry for help!!
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:44:52 EST
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Hi, my name is Erika. Is there anyone that is going to the Ft. Loterdale
concert that woulden't mind giving Mandy a letter and possibly some pictures
that I have to give to hime. I have never meet him before and I would really
like to express my gratitude for him. I didn't get to post anything in the
Birthday book, because I didn't know about it in time. You would have to gve
me your home address so that I could send it to you, but that is all. I am
only 16 I am not going to hurt you. Thanx very much.
Erika
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Mandy fans (keeping this on topic), I don't often respond to posts here, just
lurk'n'learn, but this is really ridiculous. Why can't you just admit that
taking someone else's work without their permission is wrong? So what if some
people say you can use their stuff any way you want? It's THEIR choice to let
you use it and that doesn't mean everyone else should be bound by their
choice.Personally I'm glad to see someone standing up for what is right. Just
ask permission. Maybe you'll get it and maybe you won't but don't take
something that doesn't belong to you!!!!!!!!
=46rom one Smith to another: you go girl! And don't let the grammar witch
get to you. We've all endured her sarcasm at one time or another. And Joan Walks
y, it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the law and what is RIGHT
and MORAL, something about which some of these people obviously do not have a
clue.
Donna Smith
Epiphany2000 =
Cambridge, MA
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>[email protected] wrote:
> >
> > but I would like to know a bit about his wife Kathryn Grody. I cannot
> > seem to imagine what she looks like and cannot find a photo of her anywhere
> > that looks like anything.
>
>If you look VERY closely at her face, I believe you can see the words
>'the luckiest woman alive' written on it. If not, it sure as hell should
>be! Laurie
I think that depends on whether you'd rather *live* with chaos and
intensity or just visit it. I pick visit, but haven't had an
invitation (oh, right, except that time in Marin) Carol
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Old Stick-in-the-Mud writes:
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>If you look VERY closely at her face, I believe you can see the
>words
>>'the luckiest woman alive' written on it. If not, it sure as hell
>should
>>be! Laurie
>
>
>I think that depends on whether you'd rather *live* with chaos and
>intensity or just visit it. I pick visit, but haven't had an
>invitation (oh, right, except that time in Marin) Carol
Well, Mandy aside, I like living with chaos, and think it's highly
underrated.
Jen --- put double "r"s in that, right or wrong
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Lifetime is really doing strange things to their CH schedule. Tonight
was Food Chain (baboon heart transplant), but before that and after it,
they're showing year 3. I don't know why they suddenly aired an ep from
year 1, but I'm glad they did!! It was great getting to see the old
show!! If you go to Lifetime's site, it has a daily guide for the month
and tells what's on the AM and PM airings of CH. The week before
Christmas, they'll be airing the Christmas eps, including the one from
year 1, where Jeffrey sings at Laurie's mental hospital. I did see a lot
of the first year eps when they first aired, but unfortunately, didn't
tape them!! So it's great when Life shows those early shows. I just
wish they'd start over at the beginning and show them in their proper
order!!
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Subject: True Colors
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 06:28:34 -0600
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Hello,
For Mandy's bday I rented a movie I'd never seen him in before, "True
Colors" starring James Spader and John Cusack. Mandy plays a political
funding person or something and this role is VERY different from any other
I've seen him in. In one scene he goes after a shark or fish with a bat!
Overall I really didn't care for the movie but of course it's a must see for
every Mandy fan.
carole
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Subject: Katheryn Grody photo's ... Thanks
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:09:53 EST
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Dear Group:
Thank you all for the cooperation in sending me photo's of Katherine Grody.
I can't say that she looks familiar but I am glad to finally see what she
looks like.
Regards,
Laura K.
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Subject: Mandy and his large feet
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Monica:
In regard to your post wherein you write
"Doesn't Mandy have huge feet!" I can only elucidate to my Grandma Fannie
who in her acclaimed wisdom of remarked that you should judge a man by his
feet as it might tell us ladies something in advance!!!
BTW ........... Grandma Fannie was married 4 times and they all died while
married to her! She died at ninty something ........... she must have known
something!!!
Regards,
Laura K.
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Subject: Mamaloshen and Yiddish language (Long)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 06:22:47 PST
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Hi everyone,
Here are my thoughts on the Mamaloshen album and the Yiddish language. I
wanted to share them with you all, despite the fact that Mamaloshen has been=20
out for a long time now and that i have it since, approximately, the time it=20
went out.
Is there someone on the list who's been interested in learning Yiddish since
they've heard that album? I've been. Unfortunately, i didn't find any book=20
with the complete language in it, there are only books with the history of=20
this language, which is fine but that's not what i want, i want to learn the=20
words, the language. I find it so beautiful, so attractive to the ear.
There is something about the Jewish way-of-life that always attracted me
Understand me: i'm a french-speaking person, a catholic, raised with=20
catholic stories. I don't live in a place where there are many Jews, i=20
don't know anybody jew. But there is something, in the movies and in the=
books about Jews, that attracts me. I don't know why.
First it began with the 1971 musical movie "A Fiddler on the Roof". I love=20
this movie. It's charming, funny, full of life and full of deep human=20
feelings. It's a great movie. And the characters are Jews. That's my=20
first introduction to the world of the Jews, and what a great intro: the=20
movie explains a lot of the Jewish style of life at the turn of the century.=20
The songs are beautiful, despite the fact they are all in english, but the=20
music is Jewish-oriented.
My other glimpse at the Jewish style is the movies of my favorite director,=20
Woody Allen, the Jew par excellence. His movies, his humour, his=20
way-of-life, all is Jewish. I've seen almost all his movies, and i never=20
get tired of watching him complain about his problems.
And the third time i heard something Jewish was Mamaloshen. I knew Mandy at=20
the time i bought the album, but i didn't have any of his albums and i=20
decided to try something different than what i usually listen to (rock music=20
and musicals). I tried songs in Yiddish, a language i didn't knew at all. =20
I didn't knew if i was going to like an whole album in a strange language,=20
but when i listened to it, i fell in love with it.
The words are so beautiful. I love the fact that there is a translation in=20
english in the CD booklet, because i can try to learn some words, just like=20
i tried to understand some Yiddish words in "Fiddler" (because they say some=20
words in that language in the movie, but i didn't knew at the time that it=20
was Yiddish).
Catholism and christianism means nothing to me, they have never done, but=20
the Jewish lifestyle rejoins something in me, something that's very deep in=20
me, it touches me like no religion or language or way-of-life has ever done=20
before. I'm not a religious guy, i go to church only once a year, and=20
that's during the Chrismas Eve celebrations, but Mamaloshen and Fiddler on=20
the Roof, just like other movies like Schindler's List, Jakob the Liar,=20
etc., have touched me somewhere inside me.
I'm not going to change religion (at least it's not in my near future=20
projects), but i'll try to learn this beautiful language, or at least learn=20
some words, just to be able to understand it. I respect the Jewish=20
traditions a lot, and i love hearing about it.
Here are my thoughts, i wanted to share them with you. Anyone's got others=20
thougts about that?
Lekha=EFm!!!
(To life!)
Poutchy
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yes, you're right!!
How long are his feet? My shoes are 11, in the measure of shoes (i really
don't know how to say it correctly in english, so i hope someone will
understand me). How long are is shoes?
Poutchy
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Doesn't Mandy have huge feet!
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> this pic is taken from Phantm's site.
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> Poutchy
>
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LOL!!!
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Monica:
In regard to your post wherein you write
"Doesn't Mandy have huge feet!" I can only elucidate to my Grandma Fannie
who in her acclaimed wisdom of remarked that you should judge a man by his
feet as it might tell us ladies something in advance!!!
BTW ........... Grandma Fannie was married 4 times and they all died while
married to her! She died at ninty something ........... she must have known
something!!!
Regards,
Laura K.
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Let's not get personal here with this stupidity. I was saying that people
behave on this issue as they do with religion -- you aren't likely to
convince them to change their minds by arguing logically. This is called a
simile. It means you are making a point by using a comparison with the word
"like" or "as." You do that so people can understand more easily and to
conserve words.
Some people think that it is okay to take things they see on the internet --
whether they SHOULD think that way or not. The internet began as a "free"
concept, with the underlying motto, "information is free." I personally do
not agree with this idea and do not believe it is okay to take things as
FREE if they are copyrighted. I said that clearly in my note. I also said
that many artists and web site owners tolerate the "snatching" or their
materials, while some take legal action. Onelist recently closed down
several graphics exchange lists because a member posted copyrighted material
and the copyright holder threatened legal action. I will tell you as an
aside that I am one of the people who MAKE the things other people take. It
is exceedingly hard to protect your works on the net -- embedded copyrights
and the like are expensive and legal action more so.
In terms of the materials on the Mandy sites, if that is how this thread
started, it is probable that someone in his coterie is internet savvy and
would from time to time check the web for sites about him. Is not
ParentSoup.com owned at least in part by Kathryn? In that event,
presumably people could take whatever legal action they deem appropriate to
stop the posting of pictures and such. But that particular posting
apparently helps -- it is a kind of electronic fan club. If you wrote (in
the olden days) a fan for a picture, you got one in the mail. Now you get
it on the internet.
Is it still stealing? Yes, it can be. Taking copyrighted material is
stealing. But if the material is put there for you to use to promote the
person and you use it for that purpose, you are not stealing. What is the
situation with the material in question? I do not know. I missed the
crisis which precipitated this change to a list on copyright issues.
The import of my original note was that I had returned to this list only to
find that it had become a discussion of copyrights and not Mandy. There are
other lists that do that function and other places for it. I had hoped to
belong to a list on Mandy. If this is not possible, I will understand and
get my information in other ways.
And if you find the need to attack me by name, I would appreciate it if you
spelled my name correctly. It is a little harder than Donna Smith, but I
think you can do it if you try.
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From: Donna Smith
To:
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Subject: re: copyright
Mandy fans (keeping this on topic), I don't often respond to posts here, just
lurk'n'learn, but this is really ridiculous. Why can't you just admit that
taking someone else's work without their permission is wrong? So what if some
people say you can use their stuff any way you want? It's THEIR choice to let
you use it and that doesn't mean everyone else should be bound by their
choice.Personally I'm glad to see someone standing up for what is right. Just
ask permission. Maybe you'll get it and maybe you won't but don't take
something that doesn't belong to you!!!!!!!!
>From one Smith to another: you go girl! And don't let the grammar witch get to
you. We've all endured her sarcasm at one time or another. And Joan Walksy it
has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the law and what is RIGHT
and MORAL, something about which some of these people obviously do not have
a clue.
Donna Smith
Epiphany2000
Cambridge, MA
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I am very sorry if I misspelled your name. I have to use special equipment
called a voder or vocorder to read email messages as I am legally blind. I
also have a special program that makes the letters extremely large and I don't
have an entire word on the screen at one time, so if I make a spelling or
grammar mistake once in a while, I am very sorry. I try to proofread but as
you can imagine it is very cumbersome. I am passionate about the subject of
copyright protection because I, despite my eyesight, am a freelance writer I
wrie mainly about vision problems and once did an interview with Mandy. It
takes me a long time, much longer than the average person, to reserch and
write these articles, and this is my livelihood. The article I wrote about
Mandy was taken by someone and put on a web page without my permission. I had
just sold the rights to it to another publication who withdrew their offer
after it was put on the internet. So I lost money.
Donna Smith
Epiphany2000
Cambridge, MA
"Joan Walsky" wrote:
Let's not get personal here with this stupidity. I was saying that people
behave on this issue as they do with religion -- you aren't likely to
convince them to change their minds by arguing logically. This is called a
simile. It means you are making a point by using a comparison with the word
"like" or "as." You do that so people can understand more easily and to
conserve words.
Some people think that it is okay to take things they see on the internet --
whether they SHOULD think that way or not. The internet began as a "free"
concept, with the underlying motto, "information is free." I personally do
not agree with this idea and do not believe it is okay to take things as
FREE if they are copyrighted. I said that clearly in my note. I also said
that many artists and web site owners tolerate the "snatching" or their
materials, while some take legal action. Onelist recently closed down
several graphics exchange lists because a member posted copyrighted material
and the copyright holder threatened legal action. I will tell you as an
aside that I am one of the people who MAKE the things other people take. It
is exceedingly hard to protect your works on the net -- embedded copyrights
and the like are expensive and legal action more so.
In terms of the materials on the Mandy sites, if that is how this thread
started, it is probable that someone in his coterie is internet savvy and=
would from time to time check the web for sites about him. Is not
ParentSoup.com owned at least in part by Kathryn? In that event,
presumably people could take whatever legal action they deem appropriate to
stop the posting of pictures and such. But that particular posting
apparently helps -- it is a kind of electronic fan club. If you wrote (in
the olden days) a fan for a picture, you got one in the mail. Now you get
it on the internet.
Is it still stealing? Yes, it can be. Taking copyrighted material is
stealing. But if the material is put there for you to use to promote the
person and you use it for that purpose, you are not stealing. What is the
situation with the material in question? I do not know. I missed the
crisis which precipitated this change to a list on copyright issues.
The import of my original note was that I had returned to this list only to
find that it had become a discussion of copyrights and not Mandy. There are
other lists that do that function and other places for it. I had hoped to
belong to a list on Mandy. If this is not possible, I will understand and
get my information in other ways.
And if you find the need to attack me by name, I would appreciate it if you
spelled my name correctly. It is a little harder than Donna Smith, but I
think you can do it if you try.
----- Original Message -----
From: Donna Smith
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:47 PM
Subject: re: copyright
Mandy fans (keeping this on topic), I don't often respond to posts here,
just lurk'n'learn, but this is really ridiculous. Why can't you just admit that
taking someone else's work without their permission is wrong? So what if
some people say you can use their stuff any way you want? It's THEIR choice to=
let you use it and that doesn't mean everyone else should be bound by their
choice.Personally I'm glad to see someone standing up for what is right.
Just ask permission. Maybe you'll get it and maybe you won't but don't take
something that doesn't belong to you!!!!!!!!
=46rom one Smith to another: you go girl! And don't let the grammar witch=
get to you. We've all endured her sarcasm at one time or another. And Joan Walks=
y, it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the law and what is RI=
GHT and MORAL, something about which some of these people obviously do not ha=
ve a clue.
Donna Smith
Epiphany2000
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Subject: Re: Mamaloshen and Yiddish language (Long)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:52:51 PST
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hi poutchy!
well it was a long letter :)
in Israel there r a few shcool that teching Yiddish my father talk this=20
language! but in know just a few words, I was happy to read what u think=20
about the jews (that was realy nice).
Sabut shalom or Got Sabbes
meytal
Isreal.
>From: "Jean-Frangois Tremblay"
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Mamaloshen and Yiddish language (Long)
>Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 06:22:47 PST
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Here are my thoughts on the Mamaloshen album and the Yiddish language.I=20
>wanted to share them with you all, despite the fact that Mamaloshen has=20
>been out for a long time now and that i have it since, approximately, the=20
>time it went out.
>
>Is there someone on the list who's been interested in learning Yiddish=
>since they've heard that album? I've been. Unfortunately, i didn't find=20
>any book with the complete language in it, there are only books with the=20
>history of this language, which is fine but that's not what i want, i want=20
>to learn the words, the language. I find it so beautiful, so attractive to=20
>the ear.
>
>There is something about the Jewish way-of-life that always attracted me=. =20
>Understand me: i'm a french-speaking person, a catholic, raised with=20
>catholic stories. I don't live in a place where there are many Jews, i=20
>don't know anybody jew. But there is something, in the movies and in the=20
>books about Jews, that attracts me. I don't know why.
>
>First it began with the 1971 musical movie "A Fiddler on the Roof". I love=20
>this movie. It's charming, funny, full of life and full of deep human=20
>feelings. It's a great movie. And the characters are Jews. That's my=20
>first introduction to the world of the Jews, and what a great intro: the =20
>movie explains a lot of the Jewish style of life at the turn of the=20
>century. The songs are beautiful, despite the fact they are all in=20
>english, but the music is Jewish-oriented.
>
>My other glimpse at the Jewish style is the movies of my favorite director,=20
>Woody Allen, the Jew par excellence. His movies, his humour, his=20
>way-of-life, all is Jewish. I've seen almost all his movies, and i never=20
>get tired of watching him complain about his problems.
>
>And the third time i heard something Jewish was Mamaloshen. I knew Mandy=20
>at the time i bought the album, but i didn't have any of his albums and i=20
>decided to try something different than what i usually listen to (rock=20
>music and musicals). I tried songs in Yiddish, a language i didn't knew at=20
>all. I didn't knew if i was going to like an whole album in a strange=20
>language, but when i listened to it, i fell in love with it.
>
>The words are so beautiful. I love the fact that there is a translation= in=20
>english in the CD booklet, because i can try to learn some words, just l=ike=20
>i tried to understand some Yiddish words in "Fiddler" (because they say=20
>some words in that language in the movie, but i didn't knew at the time=20
>that it was Yiddish).
>
>Catholism and christianism means nothing to me, they have never done, bu=t=20
>the Jewish lifestyle rejoins something in me, something that's very deep= in=20
>me, it touches me like no religion or language or way-of-life has ever d=one=20
>before. I'm not a religious guy, i go to church only once a year, and=20
>that's during the Chrismas Eve celebrations, but Mamaloshen and Fiddler =on=20
>the Roof, just like other movies like Schindler's List, Jakob the Liar,=20
>etc., have touched me somewhere inside me.
>
>I'm not going to change religion (at least it's not in my near future=20
>projects), but i'll try to learn this beautiful language, or at least le=arn=20
>some words, just to be able to understand it. I respect the Jewish=20
>traditions a lot, and i love hearing about it.
>
>Here are my thoughts, i wanted to share them with you. Anyone's got oth=ers=20
>thougts about that?
>
>Lekha=EFm!!!
>(To life!)
>
>Poutchy
>
>
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In a message dated 12/2/1999 3:33:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< The article I wrote about
Mandy was taken by someone and put on a web page without my permission. I had
just sold the rights to it to another publication who withdrew their offer
after it was put on the internet. So I lost money. >>
I never gave this too much thought before, but now that I am examining the
matter, I think Donna makes an excellent point. I always enjoyed the notion
that you could find virtually anything on the net. But now I think that
perhaps the notion that info on the internet should be free to all should be
interpreted to mean that one's own ideas should be freely exchanged- not the
copyrighted ideas of others.
I conclude, reluctantly, that the correct thing to do is to ask the
copyright holders... and hope they say yes.
DMNY
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hi
well in Israel normal is 44-46 but big -very big is 50
meytal
>From: "Jean-Frangois Tremblay"
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: What does Katheryn Grody look like?
>Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 06:29:41 PST
>
>yes, you're right!!
>
>How long are his feet? My shoes are 11, in the measure of shoes (i really
>don't know how to say it correctly in english, so i hope someone will
>understand me). How long are is shoes?
>
>Poutchy
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:06:21 -0000
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>Doesn't Mandy have huge feet!
>----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> > this pic is taken from Phantm's site.
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I am gonna sign off the list for now, anyhow. Life is too short to be
arguing about stuff and being made to feel badly and making others feel
badly -- especially when we are supposed to be enjoying Mandy and each
other.
For my part in this copyright discussion, I apologize. I should know better
by now. The topic ALWAYS causes hurt feelings no matter how carefully you
try to manage it. I confess that I have greatly enjoyed the Mandy web sites
and see them only as fan club type things, and certainly not an attempt to
steal. As a person who is an artist, writer, and web master for a living, I
have learned the hard way that if you put your things on line, you will see
them back somewhere else. I once had an original piece I posted to a list
returned on ANOTHER LIST within 30 minutes with someone else's name -- and
all my typos intact. There are protection programs, and that is the best
you can do.
Donna, I am sorry you are legally blind and struggling. I guess I shouldn't
have reacted to your mentioning me by name. Having myself lost money from
people's stealing my work, I can relate to your story. But there is also a
"when in Rome, do as the Romans do" aspect to all of this. Mandy, I would
suggest to you, is no longer some starving artist who cannot protect his
rights if he cares to do that. Certainly, CBS, David Kelley and Chicago
Hope have enough resources to check the web for people stealing art or
pictures or whatever. It is a pointless discussion, as I first noted,
because the people who believe it is okay to take the stuff, or the people
who believe it is okay to take the stuff "for personal use only" (that is,
without the intent to profit from it), or the people who believe that their
taking the stuff and using as it do HELPS Mandy and not hurts him -- will
never agree with the people who believe it is STEALING to use copyrighted
material. I can only suggest that you invest in the technologies to protect
your materials (some of which are not that expensive) and hold them more
closely. An informal copyright can be obtained by putting your material (a
copy) in an envelope, sealing it, and self-addressing and stamping it across
the flap (the back side). Then mail it. In this way, a judge, if it comes
to court, will have as proof you made the document the unbroken seal with a
postmark across it (thus dating your ownership as before the thief's). Yes,
you own the copyright when you make the work -- but proving it is another
matter.
Wishing you all well.
I shall miss you and I shall always love Mandy.
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On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:28:51 -0500 "Joan Walsky"
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>Let's not get personal here with this stupidity.
And let's not get stupid with this personality.... Or something! ;-)
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>I never gave this too much thought before, but now that I am examining
>the >matter, I think Donna makes an excellent point. I always enjoyed
the
>notion>that you could find virtually anything on the net. But now I
think
>that perhaps the notion that info on the internet should be free to all
>should be>interpreted to mean that one's own ideas should be freely
exchanged-
>not the >copyrighted ideas of others.
OK, so how is finding, say, a book or a play script free on the Internet
different than finding the book in the public library? Other than only
one person can have the book checked out at hte same time, whereas on the
Internet, bunches of people can read it at the same time?
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hi Robbin
well in ISRAEL we just get some money and that it !!!!
not a gift every day but its ok :)
and nop the adults dont get gift
(adults like 40 years old???)
but we eat a lot !!!
and sing around the Hanokica and do our home work.
I hope u dont give yours pupiles a lot of home work (I have to do 3 papers
to serve on English, Mathematies :((( and literature what a life and all
this in a 6 days!!!!)
well I did help u
and hope u wil have a better holiday than mine
meytal
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>Subject: Channukah
>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:04:42 EST
>
>Hi Maytal,
>
>Happy birthday, and happy Channukah! I do have a question about how
>Channukah is celebrated in Isreal. I have been wondering about this, and I
>am giving a presentation about Channukah to students in my school next week
>(I am a teacher), and I thought you could tell me. In America, we get a
>present each night of Channukah, or at least children do. Is giving
>presents
>customary in Isreal as well, or do children get Channukah gelt, money
>instead? Also, do adults also get gifts for Channukah?
>
>Thanks, and enjoy your day!
>
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Production has apparently been canceled on ABC's Snoops. I don't know if
that means that the show is canceled for good or not, however. In any
event, it is unlikely to change much RE DEK and CH. I'm still not sure
that CH has a full order of episodes this season, except that Mandy said
he'd appear in #15. CBS has a Bochco hospital drama on order as a
mid-season replacement show. I'm not sure what that means for Chicago Hope.
phantm
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damn..what a shame...maybe Gina Gershon's lips froze in place!!!!!! No big
loss on this show!!!
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In a message dated 12/1/99 3:24:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< ok check THIS out....I pride myself on spelling usually...and I missed
several.... >>
I missed three, mostly because I wasn't paying attention (except desiccate --
I really *did* miss that one):
desiccate
indispensable
inadvertent
COOL site, though! Thanks, Nag ;-)
Bev
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I usually steer clear of these arguments but feel compelled to weigh in
here...
>OK, so how is finding, say, a book or a play script free on the Internet
>different than finding the book in the public library? Other than only
>one person can have the book checked out at hte same time, whereas on the
>Internet, bunches of people can read it at the same time?
Libraries buy the books and then allow people to borrow them for no charge.
The author is paid (royalties or by the publishing company) and since the
library makes no money off the deal, it is just like any average citizen
purchasing the book (and loaning it to a lot of friends).
It's OK to post the text of books or plays on the Internet if the
copyrights have expired (materials can only be copyrighted for a certain
number of years, and then they're free game). If they haven't been, and
the posting isn't authorized, the author is getting no profit from his work
and this is stealing.
I appreciate being able to find "everything" on the Internet as much as the
next person, and I'd hate to think of what would happen if only the
materials that could rightfully be posted were available, but that doesn't
mean I can say it's right or OK for people to post willy-nilly whatever
they like and justify it by saying "everybody does it".
Laura L.
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In a message dated 12/1/99 7:48:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< And don't let the grammar witch get to you. We've all endured her sarcasm
at one time or another. >>
Wow ... is that *me*? Cool ... another member of our little MP family wrote
to say I was the bitchiest person he/she had ever met on the Internet, and
now this!
I love the holidays ;->
Bev
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In a message dated 12/2/99 2:14:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Production has apparently been canceled on ABC's Snoops. I don't know if
that means that the show is canceled for good or not, however. >>
It's gone, for good. Here's the press release from Variety:
| HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - David E. Kelley's high-profile ABC private eye drama
| ``Snoops'' will soon be history, at least in part because of the success of
the
| network's ``Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.''
|
| While ABC recently ordered a full season of the rookie show, the need to
find
| room on its primetime schedule for multiple nights of ``Millionaire''
resulted
| in a space crunch which ultimately led to Kelley and ABC throwing in the
towel
| on the series.
|
| The network is also expected to pull the plug on new comedy ''Odd Man Out''
as
| part of an overall midseason schedule shuffle expected to be announced
| Thursday.
|
| According to industry insiders familiar with the situation, once ABC
decided to
| schedule ``Millionaire'' several nights a week -- including Sunday nights
at 9
| p.m., where ``Snoops'' is currently housed -- the network told Kelley the
only
| viable time slot it had for his show was Thursdays at 10 p.m. opposite NBC's
| still-mighty ``ER.''
|
| With ``Snoops'' already struggling in the ratings, and with the imminent
| departure of costar Paula Marshall requiring a radical rework of the series'
| premise, Kelley decided it didn't make sense to continue. Production on the
| series is expected to halt after filming of the 13th episode.
|
| Making the decision easier for ABC execs was the continued poor ratings
| performance of ``Snoops'' in its current slot, despite extensive promotion
of
| the show and extra efforts by ABC to lure viewers, such as scheduling one
| episode after ''Millionaire.'' Season-to-date, the drama is averaging a
so-so
| 10.81 million viewers.
|
| The upside for Kelley in the ``Snoops'' cancellation is that his other ABC
| drama, ``The Practice,'' will now have ''Millionaire'' as a lead-in.
Already a
| hit, ``The Practice'' achieved its best numbers ever with the quiz show
airing
| before it.
|
| While ABC execs remained tightlipped Wednesday night, industry insiders
| expected the network to announce a new lineup with ``Millionaire'' airing
for
| likely an hour on Sundays and Thursdays, and at least a half-hour on
Tuesdays.
|
| On Mondays, ABC is expected to air a movie from 8-10 p.m., with ``Once and
| Again'' moving into its previously announced new time slot of Mondays at 10.
| ``Millionaire'' is expected to take on ``Frasier'' Thursdays at 9 p.m.,
though
| it's unclear if ABC will air the show from 8:30-9:30 or from 9-10 p.m.
|
| ABC will also make changes to its Friday schedule to accommodate the
departure
| of ``Odd Man Out.'' There was some speculation late Wednesday that ABC might
| even add an extra half-hour of ``Millionaire'' on Fridays, though the
network
| might not want to wear out the franchise.
|
| Meanwhile, Fox's ``Millionaire'' clone ``Greed'' will be sticking around a
| little longer. The network has ordered six additional episodes of the
| critically trashed attempt to rip-off ABC's success.
Bev
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In a message dated 12/2/99 2:57:16 PM, [email protected] writes:
<<
<< And don't let the grammar witch get to you. We've all endured her sarcasm
at one time or another. >>
Wow ... is that *me*? Cool ... another member of our little MP family wrote
to say I was the bitchiest person he/she had ever met on the Internet, and
now this!
I love the holidays ;->
Bev>>
HA!!! Don't flatter yourself.....on THIS list it could be *any* number
of people!! LOL. I still like u Bev, or BELLE, or Grammarwitch.........and
(dodging anymore insults)......HAPPY HOLIDAYS......whatever you believe in!!
(or woud that be "in whatever you believe??".
Nag
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