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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: tonites show
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:26:34 -0500

At 12:20 AM 11/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:09:22 EST  writes:
>
> >Alisha was going into Kinder.  NOW she's 7 yrs old?  Was she a late
> >bloomer, or what?
>
>This reminds me of "Family Ties," when Elyse gave birth the end of one
>season and the beginning of the next, the kid was 5 years old. A 5 year
>old was just easier to write for than an infant, so they just expected
>the audience to realize it was just a TV show, used for purposes of
>entertainment only, and not some sort of historical fact.
>
>Jen

And the opposite seems to hold true in the Marvel Universe of comics; 
Franklin Richards, Reed Richards and Sue Storm's son, seems to have been 4 
1/2 years old for the last 20 yrs, or so he was the last time I checked a 
Fantastic Four comic book. Wonder if TV writers ever read this stuff?

Kim

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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 00:11:47 EST
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In a message dated 11/20/99 3:48:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< 
 KJ, Alot of TV, is take from real life, surely, you can relate?  Where do 
you 
 think they get their plots. Have you ever talked to someo >>

Well sure, but what does that have to do with this list talking as if Alicia 
is going raised this religion or that? She wont be raised either way, there 
is no Alicia !!!!!!!

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Subject: Re: Elmo Stuff on HBO
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:18:51 +1100
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I haven't checked my mail since Friday (now Sunday 4:20p) so I'm a little
behind.

DIANE wrote:
>.... Mandy is featured prominently, being interviewed along with Bug. Very
cute. He claims to have been more "intimidated" working with Elmo than with
anyone else (and Bug points out that MP has worked with Streisand). Mandy
then says that working with Elmo, Big Bird, the Grouches, the Pesties etc.
has been the singular most pleasurable experience of his career. "I have
worked with humans," he deadpans. "I didn't like it."
>
>So, those of you with HBO, keep a constant watch on those endlessly
repetitive between-show breaks in hopes of catching this. ;)

I have these clips as .mov files. I got them from the official Elmo page (I
think). They're 1.54MB and 788Kb respectively. Worth the download time!

SueH


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>From: PostMaster 
>To: meytal & ido shpindel 
>Subject: Message Not Delivered:  RE: Not Turkey - from Meytal Shpindel
>Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:52:30 -0500
>
>The message you sent could not be sent to the following recipient(s):
>   SMTP:[email protected]
>
>Original Message Follows:
>=========================
>hi Ina
>well I live in Rehovot
>I love your web site on mandy I visit there every day
>hope u like Israel!
>u r jewish right?
>talk to u soon meytal
>
>
> >From: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: Not Turkey - from Meytal Shpindel
> >Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:54:04 EST
> >
> >Meytal,
> >Thank you so much for the cute Thanksgiving card:) Todah Rabah:)))))
> >
> >Where do you live in Israel? I visited Israel for the first time last 
>April
> >for the 50th anniversary of the state celebration. It was a wonderful 
>trip!
> >
> >I live near Philadelphia and adore Mandy, like we all. The 1st time I saw
> >him, he was in Sunday in the Park With George and he was super!
> >
> >Your Mandyfriend,
> >
> >Ina
>
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Subject: Re: Alica is raised as Mandy .. Jewish
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:32:41 PST
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hi
Bat-Mishva mikva???????????
do me a faver :)


>From: "DIANE ROSENFELDT" 
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Alica is raised as Mandy .. Jewish
>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:25:40 -0600
>
> >>>  11/19/99 02:59PM >>>
>
> >When a child is adopted,
>
>Ah! Good point! If Geiger is no longer her godparent but her daddy...but I 
>wonder what the Catholic/Episcopalian/Whatever take is on that?
>
> >then a mikva (a religious bath that must be performed) must be followed 
>according to Jewish law.
>
>Statutory scrub? ;)
>
>DR
>
>

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Subject: Re: Alica is raised as Mandy .. Jewish
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:32:57 PST
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hi
Bat-Mishva mikva???????????
do me a faver :)
meytal

>From: "DIANE ROSENFELDT" 
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Alica is raised as Mandy .. Jewish
>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:25:40 -0600
>
> >>>  11/19/99 02:59PM >>>
>
> >When a child is adopted,
>
>Ah! Good point! If Geiger is no longer her godparent but her daddy...but I 
>wonder what the Catholic/Episcopalian/Whatever take is on that?
>
> >then a mikva (a religious bath that must be performed) must be followed 
>according to Jewish law.
>
>Statutory scrub? ;)
>
>DR
>
>

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Subject: Re: tonites show
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:20:11 EST
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In a message dated 11/20/1999 4:22:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< It would have been just as
 easy, and more respectful to the people who actually keep track of this
 show, for the writers to plug in the correct numbers.  >>

I watch the show, have watched it from the beginning, love Mandy, just as we 
all do, but I don't feel disrespected!!!!! Bad writing is not personal.

The show suffers from (and has for a long time), bad writing and poor 
character continuity. But, let's not take it so personally!!!!!
It is CH, and our Mandy is the star, but I repeat, IT IS JUST A SHOW, not 
reality. We need to keep our sense of humor, here......

Regards,
Barbara


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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 02:35:59 EST
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In a message dated 11/21/1999 12:15:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< She wont be raised either way, there 
 is no Alicia !!!!!!! >>

HOORAY!!!!

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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
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In a message dated 11/21/99 12:13:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

> 
>  In a message dated 11/20/99 3:48:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
>  [email protected] writes:
>  
>  << 
>   KJ, Alot of TV, is take from real life, surely, you can relate?  Where do 
>  you 
>   think they get their plots. Have you ever talked to someo >>
>  
>  Well sure, but what does that have to do with this list talking as if 
Alicia 
> 
>  is going raised this religion or that? She wont be raised either way, 
there 
>  is no Alicia !!!!!!!
>  
ROFLOL

Michelle<<<<<--with real adopted kid

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 03:47:47 EST
Subject: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
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"Well sure, but what does that have to do with this list talking as if Alicia 
is going raised this religion or that? She wont be raised either way, there 
is no Alicia !!!!!!!"

KJ, did U ever hear of the word imagination?  There is no Geiger either!

Patty

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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:47:39 EST
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In a message dated 11/21/99 12:50:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< KJ, did U ever hear of the word imagination?  There is no Geiger either!
 
 Patty
  >>
I think she meant that as this discussion escalates...the religious 
upbringing of a non-person will go on and on AND ON......................

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What was it DK wrote, "All this profundity and no
bubble gum ?" Everyone knows it's only a show,
everyone knows they aren't real and everyone knows
that the writing is poor and not directed at them
personally. Enough already...
Renee- wondering if anyone will bother to read this
instead of just deleting anything to do with this
discussion 
--- [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 11/21/99 12:50:46 AM Pacific
> Standard Time, 
> [email protected] writes:
> 
> << KJ, did U ever hear of the word imagination? 
> There is no Geiger either!
>  
>  Patty
>   >>
> I think she meant that as this discussion
> escalates...the religious 
> upbringing of a non-person will go on and on AND
> ON......................
> 

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Please set me to individual emails.  Thanks.

Joan
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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:19:34 EST
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In a message dated 11/21/99 11:02:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

> Subj:  Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
>  Date:    11/21/99 11:02:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
>  From:    [email protected] (Renee Jorgensen)
>  Sender:  [email protected]
>  To:  [email protected]
>  
>  
>  What was it DK wrote, "All this profundity and no
>  bubble gum ?" Everyone knows it's only a show,
>  everyone knows they aren't real and everyone knows
>  that the writing is poor and not directed at them
>  personally. Enough already...
>  Renee- wondering if anyone will bother to read this
>  instead of just deleting anything to do with this
>  discussion 



I read it!!

Michelle <---- single Jewish mother of an adopted Vietnamese boy (ROFLOL)

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Subject: Please change
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Please set me to individual emails versus digest.  The digest is convenient
but not very easy to use.

Thanks.

Joan


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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
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In a message dated 11/21/1999 10:50:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< the religious 
 upbringing of a non-person will go on and on AND ON...................... >>

And on, and on, and on, and on.........
That's just my point. Well said.
So, my Mandy friends, how is everyone, today?



Have a wonderful day.
         Barbara

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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:00:38 EST
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In a message dated 11/21/1999 11:02:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<<  Enough already.. >>
Thank You, Renee.



Have a wonderful day.
         Barbara

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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:37:53 -0600 (CST)
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To some people, there really is a Chicago Hope Hospital, and Jeffrey and
Alicia do exist, if only in our fertile imaginations ...

Apparently, some people here feel that this is not the place to be
carrying on such conversations about people who aren't "real."  Maybe
they're right, as this is a list for Mandy, the person, and apparently
not his show or characters. Ok. So, come and join a new Mandy list,
where "such conversations" are *encouraged,* where you can believe
Jeffrey and Alicia and all the rest of the CH people DO exist, and are
worth having serious (or silly!) conversations about! What's the point
in watching a tv series if you can't be involved with the characters and
want to discuss their lives, as if they really exist? Of course, it
won't change anything, but it's still fun to talk about it, isn't it?

The Mandy_FANtinkins List is for Mandy fans, as well as fans of all of
his characters, all of his work, be it acting or singing, where we can
talk about the people who are "real" to us, without someone trying to
slap you down for it! Come on and join the fun!!

Please go here for info on this new Mandy list:

http://www.onelist.com/community/Mandy_FANtinkins

Nanci

With a handful of keys and a song to sing, now how could you ask for
more? -- Mandy

*Clowns don't belong in a hospital!*
*Neither do children.* -- Dr. Jeffrey Geiger


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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: CH 
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:44:13 -0500 (EST)
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Comments: Originally To: "Joanne Cochran" 
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At 07:35 PM 11/20/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>As far as Brenda's possible explanation of why Jeffrey went into the whole
>Bat Mitzvah analogy with the woman last night, I can only say that this is
>why I liked her book.  She has far more imagination than any of the writers
>on this show and she is giving them way too much credit.  Perhaps we should
>contact David Kelley and offer Brenda's services to write the rest of the
>season.  Er, um, Brenda, would that be okay with you?  You're not busy or
>anything right now are you?  What's a little book editing when you can save
>Geiger and this sinking ship that Mandy's trying to jump off of?
>

If CH wants me, I am easily found.  I find it difficult to believe however
that there aren't tons of smart writers in California already (I mean,
Harlan Ellison lives there, after all!).  The problem is that the PTB at the
show don't care.  No amount of imagination can save you then.

Brenda 
Brenda W. Clough, author of HOW LIKE A GOD from Tor Books.
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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:28:53 EST
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In a message dated 11/21/1999 1:40:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

 << without someone trying to
 slap you down for it! >

No one, has tried to slap anyone down for their ideas. But, many of us think, 
that hundreds of emails about Alicia's religion and age are a bit silly.
Sorry, if you feel so offended!!!!

I always enjoy this list and the many wonderful friends that I have made 
here, even when some of us go on, and on.



Have a wonderful day.
         Barbara

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I thought this would be of interest to all of you.  I know you don't like to 
receive long messages and hope that it prints up properly for all of you to 
read.  It is really important and affects ALL of us on the list.

Regards,
   Helaine 

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> > >CNN has reported that within the next two weeks Congress is going to
> > vote
> > on
> > >allowing telephone companies to CHARGE A TOLL FEE for Internet access.
> > >Translation: Every time we send a long distance e-mail we will receive
>a
> > long
> > >distance charge. This will get costly.
> > >
> > >Please visit the following web site and file a  complaint.  Complain to
> > your
> > >Congressperson. We can't allow this to  pass!
> > >
> > >The following address will allow you to send an e-mail on this subject
> > >DIRECTLY to your Congressperson:
> > >
> > >                        http://www.house.gov/writerep
> > >
> > >Pass this on to your friends. It is urgent! I  hope all of you will
>pass
> > this
> > >on to all your friends and family.  We should ALL have an interest in
> > this
> > >one.
> > >
> > >WAIT, THERE'S MORE.!  IN ADDITION, The last few months have revealed an
> > >alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to
> > quietly
> > >push through
> > >legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.
> > >
> > >Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting
>to
> > >bilk email users out of "alternate  postage fees":
> > >
> > >         Bill 602P will  permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent
> > surcharge
> > >on               every email delivered, by billing Internet Service
> > Providers
> > >at source.
> > >         The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
> > >
> > >Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent
> > this
> > >legislation from becoming law.  The U.S. Postal Service is claiming
>that
> > lost
> > >revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly
> > $230,000,000
> > in
> > >revenue per year.  You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There
> > is
> > >nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10
> > pieces
> > of
> > >email per day in 1998,
> > >the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents  per
> > day,
> > >or over
> > >$180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet costs.
> > >
> > >Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service
> > for
> > a
> > >service they do not even provide.  The whole point of the Internet is
> > >democracy and non-interference.  If the federal government is permitted
> > to
> > >tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to  email, who knows
> > where
> > it
> > >will end. You are  already
> > >paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic
> > >inefficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be
> > delivered
> > >from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to
> > tinker
> > >with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United
> > States.
> > >
> > >One Congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested  a "twenty to
>forty
> > >dollar per month surcharge on all internet service" above and beyond
>the
> > >government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major
> > newspapers
> > >have ignored  the story, the only  exception being the Washingtonian
> > which
> > >called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has
> > come"
> > >(March 6th, 1999, Editorial.)
> > >
> > >Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away!  Send this e-mail to
> > >EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives to write
> > to
> > >their congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P.
> > >
> > >It will only take a few moments of your time, and could very well be
> > >instrumental in killing a bill we don't want.
> > >
> > >PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EMAIL  REMEMBER THESE ARE
> > >TWO  SEPARATE ISSUES THAT EFFECT ALL OF US ONLINE   LET YOUR VOICE BE
> > >HEARD  NOW, NOT AFTER.
> > >
> > >
> >
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: More Thoughts About Alicia
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:12:37 EST
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HOPEFULLY, ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT ALICIA WILL CEASE BEFORE SHE IS OLD 
ENOUGH TO HAVE A "BAT MITZVAH".

AS SAID BEFORE, ENOUGH ALREADY!

WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IS WHEN THE TWO POSTPONED NEW JERSEY 
CONCERTS WILL BE RESCHEDULED?  IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETIME IN THE SPRING 
HOWEVER, HE WILL BE DOING "THE WILD PARTY" IN THE SPRING.  I HOPE THEY WILL 
BE RESCHEDULED BEFORE 2001!!! 

THE POSTPONEMENT OF THESE TWO CONCERTS IS NOT RESPECT.

HOPE YOU ARE ALL WELL.

REGARDS,
  HELAINE  

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Smittynag wrote:


>I think she meant that as this discussion escalates...the religious
>upbringing of a non-person will go on and on AND ON......................
>


Well you KNOW how much this List loves to get worked up about religion!!!

God help us if POLITICS ever get mentioned on the show!

LOL!  Joanne




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In a message dated 11/21/99 11:58:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< I thought this would be of interest to all of you.  I know you don't like 
to 
 receive long messages and hope that it prints up properly for all of you to 
 read.  It is really important and affects ALL of us on the list.
 
 Regards,
    Helaine 
  >>
THIS IS A hoax....ARE WE BACK TO POSTING THIS STUFF ON HERE AGAIN??

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The date for the Englewood show is to be revealed in January. Laurie

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Forgot to add the Englewood show is supposed to be rescheduled for the
spring. Maybe during a off night from The Wild Party? I hope so- I'd
like to see both in one trip! Laurie

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Hi to u all
Well its still killing me that Bat-mizva and mikva
There is just something like 4 cases when a woman need
To go to the mikva:
1. before her wadding
2. before sex (with her husband of course)
3. after she having birth
4. after period
I think that's it!
But not when she having bat-mizva 100%
so u dont think that she is very young for all this mikva thing???

And Bev I like the kosher computer that was fanny

meytal

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Well E X C U S E   M E!

Why do you think this is a hoax?  Maybe it's not.  If it turns out to be a 
hoax then I am sorry that I tried to warn you and everyone else that 
everytime we use this list it just might possibly cost more money than some 
people are willing to spend or, can afford to spend.  If it is not a hoax 
then everyone benefitted from it.
 
NOT EVERYTHING IS A HOAX!

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In a message dated 11/21/99 11:58:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< I thought this would be of interest to all of you.  I know you don't like 
to 
 receive long messages and hope that it prints up properly for all of you to 
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    Helaine 
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If the concert will be rescheduled to a night when The Wild Party is not 
playing, it will most probably be on a Monday night.  Most Broadway shows do 
not play on Monday nights.  

Regards,
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Forgot to add the Englewood show is supposed to be rescheduled for the
spring. Maybe during a off night from The Wild Party? I hope so- I'd
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For all we know, Alicia was Jewish in the first place.  Remember, she was 
adopted by Alan too.  I don't remember the details of the ceremony in which 
Jeffrey was named Alicia's g0dfather, but I don't remember it being 
particularly religious, nor do I remember Alan being so.  It's possible that 
Jeffrey made whatever commitments he was required to make with regard to the 
church, in the same way that I'm told many Catholic couples promise not to 
use birth control before they are married (if I'm in error here, please 
correct me...I've been told this but don't know first hand), while it was 
simply a formality to Alan rather than a promise that Jeffrey made to him.  
Again, I don't want to talk about something that isn't that familiar to me, 
but I know several couples who have had Catholic weddings because that was 
important to them, even though they are not really "practicing" Catholics.  
Alan may have wanted whatever the ceremony was in the same way.

Robin

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>From: PostMaster 
>To: meytal & ido shpindel 
>Subject: Message Not Delivered:  I still dont get it!!!!
>Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:08:44 -0500
>
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>Hi to u all
>Well its still killing me that Bat-mizva and mikva
>There is just something like 4 cases when a woman need
>To go to the mikva:
>1. before her wadding
>2. before sex (with her husband of course)
>3. after she having birth
>4. after period
>I think that's it!
>But not when she having bat-mizva 100%
>so u dont think that she is very young for all this mikva thing???
>
>And Bev I like the kosher computer that was fanny
>
>meytal
>
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hi
I wish to know if someone heard what Mandy said in the convention in 
Atlanta????
its very important to me
meytal

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Helaine, please don't shoot the messenger. Many of us know this is a hoax
because it has been circulating for several years and has been
denied/explained/de-mythed, etc. over and over.

You can check it out at
http://www.Europe.DataFellows.com/hoaxes/bill602p.htm
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>Well E X C U S E   M E!
>
>Why do you think this is a hoax?  Maybe it's not.  If it turns out to be a
>hoax then I am sorry that I tried to warn you and everyone else that
>everytime we use this list it just might possibly cost more money than some
>people are willing to spend or, can afford to spend.  If it is not a hoax
>then everyone benefitted from it.
>
>NOT EVERYTHING IS A HOAX!
>
>-----Helaine
>


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At 3:58 PM 11/21/99,  wrote:
>Well E X C U S E   M E!
>
>Why do you think this is a hoax?  Maybe it's not.  If it turns out to be a
>hoax then I am sorry that I tried to warn you and everyone else that
>everytime we use this list it just might possibly cost more money than some
>people are willing to spend or, can afford to spend.  If it is not a hoax
>then everyone benefitted from it.
>
>NOT EVERYTHING IS A HOAX!
>
>-----Helaine
>

It is a total hoax as is most of this stuff.  I've read it in the newspaper
and heard it on TV that this is a somewhat new urban legend.  I've received
it from a lot of people, but I refuse to ever ever pass on this kind of
thing.  I know that you think you are being helpful to people when you pass
it on, but people find it annoying if they are on other lists and have
gotten this same thing from five or six people.

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Dear Diane:

If this is a hoax, I apologize.  I was only trying to be helpful.  Not 
everyone knew this was a hoax because I have received quite a few of private 
e-mail messages thanking me.  I did not know it was a hoax as I just got a 
computer.

It is one thing to let someone know that they have made a mistake. However, 
it does not have to be said in a nasty tone of voice.  All that had to be 
said that it was a known fact that this was a hoax but thank you anyway.

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Helaine, please don't shoot the messenger. Many of us know this is a hoax
because it has been circulating for several years and has been
denied/explained/de-mythed, etc. over and over.

You can check it out at
http://www.Europe.DataFellows.com/hoaxes/bill602p.htm
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>Well E X C U S E   M E!
>
>Why do you think this is a hoax?  Maybe it's not.  If it turns out to be a
>hoax then I am sorry that I tried to warn you and everyone else that
>everytime we use this list it just might possibly cost more money than some
>people are willing to spend or, can afford to spend.  If it is not a hoax
>then everyone benefitted from it.
>
>NOT EVERYTHING IS A HOAX!
>
>-----Helaine
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On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:19:39 EST  writes:
>
>Oh, did anyone notice last night's ER was titled "Humpty Dumpty" - 
>same as 
>the Cacachi suicide episode?  No imagination.

Seriously? That is very bizarre.

>Spoiler:  Dec. 9 Episode "The Golden Hour"
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>McNeil and Shutt, on their way to watch a football game, stop to see 
>McNeil's 
>bookie and find three people criticially injured by gunfire. With the 
>shooter 
>still in the building, preventing the police from freeing the 
>hostages, the 
>trapped doctors use everything they can to try and save their new 
>patients.  

This was a GREAT episode!............ When it was on ER!!

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And the people on the list come up with such Good
episodes...ahhh it's such a waste. ;o)
Renee 
--- [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:19:39 EST 
> writes:
> >
> >Oh, did anyone notice last night's ER was titled
> "Humpty Dumpty" - 
> >same as 
> >the Cacachi suicide episode?  No imagination.
> 
> Seriously? That is very bizarre.
> 
> >Spoiler:  Dec. 9 Episode "The Golden Hour"
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >McNeil and Shutt, on their way to watch a football
> game, stop to see 
> >McNeil's 
> >bookie and find three people criticially injured by
> gunfire. With the 
> >shooter 
> >still in the building, preventing the police from
> freeing the 
> >hostages, the 
> >trapped doctors use everything they can to try and
> save their new 
> >patients.  
> 
> This was a GREAT episode!............ When it was on
> ER!!
> 
> jen
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At 06:22 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Rene Klein wrote:


>It is a total hoax as is most of this stuff.  I've read it in the newspaper
>and heard it on TV that this is a somewhat new urban legend.  I've received
>it from a lot of people, but I refuse to ever ever pass on this kind of
>thing.  I know that you think you are being helpful to people when you pass
>it on, but people find it annoying if they are on other lists and have
>gotten this same thing from five or six people.
>
>Rene

Could not have said it better myself!

For everyone, here are two great sites to check for urban legends, just not 
computer hoaxes:

http://www.urbanlegends.com
This is the AFU and Urban Legends Archive.

http://www.snopes.com
The Urban Legends Reference Pages

Good luck,
Kim

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On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 06:21:05 EST  writes:
>
>Oh yeah, the hat pin was kept up the nun's sleeve!  Today, she would 
>be arrested!

I spent 8 years in catholic school and never once had a nun teacher like
this! I feel so left out! And both my parents were 12 years in Catholic
school, and neither of them had one either. What the hell is wrong with
the world outside of my hometown???

Jen

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Before I pass along a conspiracy theory, an email petition, or a virus
warning to all my friends, I try to research it a little first.

My favorite place for such research is:=20
http://urbanlegends.about.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/   which also
has
links to more information about this and lots of other hoaxes... Please
read below for more info on the Internet Access Toll Hoax.

Jen <----actually never sends out email petitions, and only once in
recent memory sent out a conspiracy theory, but she was sick that day,
and felt really stupid about it afterward
------
>From this page:

 Internet Access Rumor Won't Go Away

 Dateline: 01/20/99  Update: 03/01/99=20

 Even though it's been debunked by just about everybody, the rumor rages
 on via forwarded email alerts:  the U.S. government, we are told, is on
the
 verge of enacting legislation that will raise our Internet access costs
by
 allowing calls to ISPs to be charged at long-distance (i.e., per-minute)
 rates.=20

 The rumor is false, as I will explain shortly.=20

 It is nonetheless popular, exemplifying a genre of Internet folklore
dating
 back to the "modem tax" legend of the early '90s. The rumor then was
that
 the FCC was about to approve a surcharge on all phone lines connected
 to computer modems. A grassroots email campaign resulted in a flood of
 protests to the FCC, in spite of the fact that it had no such ruling
under
 consideration.=20

 In similar fashion, the latest rumor has generated hundreds of thousands
of
 email complaints from "well-meaning but misinformed people" over the
 past two years, says the FCC.=20

 Much like the issue of computer security, which has given rise to a body
of
 lore including virus hoaxes, hacker alerts, and rumors of privacy
invasion,
 low-cost access is and will likely always be a "hot button" topic among
 Internet users, hence fertile ground for rumormongers. False rumors
often
 paint a true picture of a community's deep-seated fears and concerns.=20

 Here's a typical email rendering of the current one:=20

    Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 7:50 PM=20
    Subject: INPORTANT!!! PLEASE READ!!!!!!=20

    THIS IS NO JOKE !!!=20

    CNN stated that the Government would in two weeks
    time decide to allow or not allow a Charge to
    your phone bill equal to a long distance call
    each time you access the internet.=20

    The address is=20
    http://www.house.gov/writerep/=20

    Please visit the address above and fill out the
    necessary form! This is not a joke....but REAL.
    We all were aware that the Government has been
    pressured by the telephone companies to consider
    such a charge and now it's reality.....=20

    If EACH one of us, forward this message on to
    others in a hurry, we may be able to prevent this
    injustice from happening!=20


 The irony is that similar messages warning that the government will make
a
 decision "in two weeks" have been circulating since early November, more
 than two months ago.=20

 The earliest of these coincides with news reports about a ruling under
 consideration by the FCC (not Congress) pertaining to "reciprocal
 compensation" arrangements between local telephone companies. The
 ruling (still pending at this writing) will decide whether calls to ISPs
should
 be regarded as interstate transactions, since Internet traffic is not,
strictly
 speaking, local. It would only affect the rates phone companies charge
 each other for the use of local lines to complete such calls. (See the
FCC
 Fact Sheet on this issue for a more thorough explanation.)=20

 In some quarters, including news organizations such as CNN, this was
 misinterpreted as having an impact on the rates phone companies charge
 ISPs, and thus on consumer access fees. As CNN ominously reported on
 November 7, "The cost of going online could go up significantly if the
 Federal Communications Commission decides that dialing your local
 Internet provider is a long-distance call."=20

 It was an erroneous assumption. FCC chairman William Kennard had
 announced the opposite just the day before: "The FCC has repeatedly
 stated for the past decade =96 and is stating again today =96 that it is=
 NOT
 repealing the ISP exemption that [prevents] Internet service providers
from
 paying per-minute charges to local telephone companies."=20

 Unfortunately, the rumor was well underway. Even now, in spite of plenty
 of information to the contrary on this site and elsewhere, people
persist in
 believing the email alerts and continue forwarding them hither and yon
with
 righteous indignation.=20

 Two days ago, the Arizona Republic reported that Congressman Ed
 Pastor had received no fewer than 85 messages of protest since
 November, the bulk of them during the past two weeks. Pastor's office
 responds to the protests by kindly denying the rumor and handing out the
 address of the FCC Web page listed above. Other members of Congress
 are doing the same, and likely will be for quite some time to come.=20

 "Internet misinformation resembles one of those fires that start up in
huge
 piles of tires," observed the author of the Arizona Republic article.
"You
 can knock them back, but never really put them out."=20

 The FCC can vouch for that. Come to think of it, so can I.=20

 Update:=20

      Internet Access Rumor Revisited
      FCC's Feb. 25 ruling does not impose long distance charges on
      consumer access=20

 For more information, see:=20

      No Consumer Per-Minute Charges to Access ISPs
      Dec. '98 Fact Sheet from the FCC=20
      FCC Chairman's Statement
      Nov. 11 speech to Regulatory Commissioners=20
      FCC Again Says It Won't Tax Internet
      Reuters news coverage, Nov. 7, 1998=20
      Internet Access Fees (Again?) (NOT!)
      David Spalding's in-depth 'Hoax du Jour' feature=20

Jen
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On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:45:41 -0700 "[email protected]" 
>I guess when it comes to his wedding ring, Mandy has made a 
>concscious
>decision not to pay attention to detail... 

Or maybe he's just still so tied to Laurie that he still wears it. Or
maybe he wants people to think he's married. Some people wear their
wedding rings long after a divorce or a spouse's death.

As to the "five years ago" baboon heart thing, I don't think it even was
5 years ago. And maybe Aaron was just approximating. He wouldn't
necessarily say, "That happened 4 years, three months, and seventeen days
ago..."

Or is that not what we're talking about?

Jen
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Subject: Re: tonites show
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:27:36 -0600
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At 02:20 AM 11/21/99 EST, [email protected] wrote:

>I watch the show, have watched it from the beginning, love Mandy, just as we 
>all do, but I don't feel disrespected!!!!! Bad writing is not personal.
>
>The show suffers from (and has for a long time), bad writing and poor 
>character continuity. But, let's not take it so personally!!!!!
>It is CH, and our Mandy is the star, but I repeat, IT IS JUST A SHOW, not 
>reality. We need to keep our sense of humor, here......

Oh for God's sake, I am not taking it personally! I too have watched it from
the very first instant, and was passionate about it when it was worthy of
being passionate about, and have hung in in hopes of better days which have
not materialized. I no longer care much about the show except for old time's
sake and Mandy. I just don't think it's too much to expect a show to
maintain a modicum of accuracy on items that should be so easy to be
accurate about. "We" need to stop telling others to lighten up and/or keep
our sense of humor. "We" know it's just a show. But when the important facts
of characters' lives (like date of birth, marital status, number of bullets
that killed them) are juggled around with no good purpose, I *do* feel
disrespected, and I think probably most thinking viewers do also.

Oh, and our Mandy is *so* not the star any more, unfortunately.

DR


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Subject: Re: Further Thoughts about Alicia!
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:27:38 -0600
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At 02:35 AM 11/21/99 EST, [email protected] wrote:
>In a message dated 11/21/1999 12:15:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>[email protected] writes:
>
><< She wont be raised either way, there 
> is no Alicia !!!!!!! >>
>
>HOORAY!!!!

Well, then, the next logical step is to forbid discussion of Chicago Hope on
this list, seeing as how it's not even a subject.

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In a message dated 11/20/1999 12:21:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<< 
 McNeil and Shutt, on their way to watch a football game, stop to see 
McNeil's 
 bookie and find three people criticially injured by gunfire. With the 
shooter 
 still in the building, preventing the police from freeing the hostages, the 
 trapped doctors use everything they can to try and save their new patients.  


-----hmmm....doctors in a building with a shooter---um--didnt Billy and Kate 
operate under a gun in a store before? Didnt they do this plot on ER with 
Hathaway and the gunmen? 
 
Is it so difficult to write new plots?

---C

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At 10:06 PM 11/21/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/20/1999 12:21:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>[email protected] writes:
>
><< 
> McNeil and Shutt, on their way to watch a football game, stop to see 
>McNeil's 
> bookie and find three people criticially injured by gunfire. With the 
>shooter 
> still in the building, preventing the police from freeing the hostages, the 
> trapped doctors use everything they can to try and save their new patients.  
>
>
>-----hmmm....doctors in a building with a shooter---um--didnt Billy and Kate 
>operate under a gun in a store before? Didnt they do this plot on ER with 
>Hathaway and the gunmen? 
> 
>Is it so difficult to write new plots?
>
>---C
>

Nope.  But you have to -want- new plots.  The producers should be demanding
them and kicking butt when they don't get them.  That we're seeing these
retreads tells its own tale.

Brenda

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In a message dated 11/20/1999 10:36:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[email protected] writes:

<<  What is
 "Jeffrey's" reason?  He doesn't have one (since he didn't start wearing it
 until season 2).  The only reason IMO that Jeffrey is wearing it is because
 he is being played by Mandy.  Who apparently doesn't worry all that much
 about plot consistency either.  At least where this is concerned. >>

Well, I can see why Jeffrey would still wear his wedding ring. He is still in 
love with his wife. Jeffrey never wanted the divorce. It isnt that unusual to 
wear the ring after the divorce----even after the ex-spouse remarries.


----C

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:31:56 -0700
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At 10:22 PM -0500 11/21/99,  wrote:
>Well, I can see why Jeffrey would still wear his wedding ring. He is still in
>love with his wife. Jeffrey never wanted the divorce. It isnt that unusual to
>wear the ring after the divorce----even after the ex-spouse remarries.

What we don't know, is that Jeffrey married Geri Infante while he was away
from Chicago Hope.  We just haven't discovered this yet.  ;)

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It's really amazing, with good intentions I forwarded something to this list. 
 I did not know that it was a hoax and I apologized for this.  Believe me, I 
will never forward something like this again.

I appreciate that some people found this annoying.  I am sorry.  Thank you to 
the people who advised me that this was a hoax but who advised me in a nice 
way.  However, it really annoys me when I receive a message like the one 
below.  I really thought I was doing a good thing.  Please everyone just let 
it rest.  I really meant no harm.  However, I can't say the same about what 
is written below.

---Helaine  

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In a message dated 11/21/99 3:35:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, HELAINEW writes:

<<  However, you did not have to be so nasty in your message.  Apparently, I 
did not know it was a hoax and was trying to be helpful. >>
get a life and don't send me anymore of your irritating emails PLEASE

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>...However, I can't say the same about what
>is written below.
>
>---Helaine

Wasn't this a private email? Major breach of netiquette sending 
private email to a public list for which it was not meant. In this 
case...kind of a little like tattling...Carol


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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Warlow in "Secret Garden"
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:23:17 -0800
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Thanks to eBay, I got a copy of Anthony Warlow, Marina Prior and 
Philip Quast singing highlights from the Australian production of 
"The Secret Garden."

It is my favorite CD by Mandy so it was hard for me to be objective, 
since I heard this one second. But, and I think someone else pointed 
this out, Warlow and Quast don't have enough contrast in their voices 
in "Lily's Eyes."

Warlow has a better voice technically than Mandy, I suppose, but 
there's something about Mandy's not being as polished or the way it 
sounds like it's the first time he's sung a song....

I'd call "Race You to the Top of the Morning" a draw. They seem to 
even put the emphasis in the same places.

"Where in the World"....there's the emphasis that Mandy puts on 
"....could I *live* without your love..." that is so passionate.

And I so love Mandy's version of "How Could I Ever Know" that I 
couldn't be objective.

But it's a great CD to have (and a feeble attempt at changing the 
current subjects on the list)...Carol

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Subject: Sorry
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:23:26 EST
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I want to apologize for posting the private e-mail that was sent to me.  Yes, 
I agree it was in poor taste.  I guess I was just upset.

Can we please put this to rest.  I apparently made two mistakes and I am 
sorry.  I am especially sorry to SMITTYNAG for posting it.

Please accept my apologies and please don't everyone send message telling me 
I was wrong.  I know it.

----Helaine

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