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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 6:34:16 +0200 (METDST)
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From: [email protected]
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Subject: Mandy Question
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:33:47 -0400
I went to a Mandy concert last spring (he was AMAZING) and he mentioned he had
a new cd coming out called "Kidults." Does anyone know when that is due out?
Thanks a bunch.
KT
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Subject: Re: Mandy Question
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:12:55 -0400
At 09:33 AM 10/9/99 -0400, klmoss wrote:
>I went to a Mandy concert last spring (he was AMAZING) and he mentioned he had
>a new cd coming out called "Kidults." Does anyone know when that is due out?
Current plans are to record "Kidults" in January, so it'll be awhile after
that before it's out.
-Char
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:16:10 -0700
Hi All,
Ive had a chance to rest a bit (and stand up for a while!) so I wanted
to post my report. I am just combining the highlights from both nights,
and Im sure Karen will fill in anything Ive forgotten. Several people
have asked me about the underwear, so I'll begin with that. The first
night when Mandy sang 'Coffee' we rushed the stage and having 2nd row
tickets- for both nights- we were able to get up there right away. Karen
was behind him on one side and I was on the other, lots of women behind
us- we didnt BUDGE! and we began caressing his back and chest and
reached down and felt his nice, tight ass! I got in a good butt cup feel
and couldnt feel any elastic band around his thigh and later asked Karen
if she did- she said no. So the next night we did the same thing (twice
is more fun!)and after swooning over the possibility of him not wearing
any, we decided to ask. Karen's friend Susan was elected to ask the
question of boxers or briefs (I knew if he said 'nothing' I'd faint..)
He looked rather suprised, smiled and laughed and then told us. We got a
great shot of him laughing about it. (I will put up many of the pics on
my page as soon as I can.) Also while we were on stage the first night,
as I was stroking his back I slid my hand around his side, past his
hipbone and got about 2 inches from mister man...then chickened out.
That night at the bar both Karen and Susan heard me whine 'I was THIS
CLOSE!' and Karen reminded me I had another chance the following
night...Ladies, hate me forever, but I touched mister man that next
night! I was feeling his lower back, just slid my hand around, seen my
chance and took it! 'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'
enjoying the caresses, if you know what I mean....Well, he *DID* say we
could touch him wherever we wanted! If he had wanted me to stop, he
couldve just put his hand on my arm...whatta night! I also got to play
with the little tuft of hair on the back of his neck, near his shoulder
blades as he was singing..so soft... the concerts were fantastic- he did
many songs from the upcoming Kidults to several numbers from Oscar and
Steve and some from his first CD, too. Lin, you missed 'Rockabye' again!
Also sang 'Oh, what a circus' from Evita. Joked a lot with the audience,
giving this guy in the front row a hard time.. when it was time to give
him his gifts during the 'coffee' number a VERY pregnant lady told him
that she refused to give birth until after she seen his show, he laughed
and said that he'd deliver it right then! He laid her down on the stage,
lifted her tunic shirt up a bit and said 'no, not coming yet'. Helped
her to her feet then asked if that was water on the floor! One very
lucky lady gave him an Altoid mint and he gave her a long, hard kiss on
the mouth! Lips closed-it looked like. Bent her backwards a bit. Karen
had given him a Lionel mug, which he really liked. I handed him my
Geiger business card, and he laughed and handed it to this same guy up
front and said 'now he'll know how to get hold of me' You better believe
I got that back after the show! I had Mandy sign it, too. Another woman
had no gift for him, so she took off her one shoe and he thanked her and
kept it. She had him sign it that night, after the show...we went back
to have him sign a few things and got some great pics the first night,
going thru line twice! I had stepped aside and got nearly a full role of
film each night. I told him I came from Mpls, by bus, and he seemed
touched by that..said that the family was coming here to check out the U
for Isaac! I had stolen his towel after the first show and asked him to
put a little 'extra' Mandy sweat on it for me, which he smiled and did.
I got his water bottle for Karen. During the second show, Karen had
handed me some tic tacs and just as I was putting a couple in my mouth,
Mandy said 'what are you eating over there?' I pointed to Karen (who had
STOLEN my aisle seat that night- the BITCH!) and said 'she gave them to
me' he answered 'I dont care, you bring it up and give it to me' so I
handed it to him. He asked what they were and gave it to the guy in the
first row that he was giving a hard time to. He was fabulous both
nights, but seemed more relaxed the 2nd evening. By the second night he
called me by my name :) I had dropped something and was putting it in my
purse while we were taking pictures and Karen and Susan went up for a
shot with Mandy and both Karen and Mandy called out 'Come on over here,
Laurie' so I was able to get in the group shot also. We both gave him a
gift the second night- Karen had given him another darling mug and I had
a 'mermaid and fish' Lionel train piece that moved back and forth as
though they were swimming for him. After the crowd left on the second
night I asked Mandy if he would give me the biggest thrill of my life
and let me touch his chest hair... he smiled and said 'My chest hair?
Sure..' and pulled his Tee way down...I played and played with it...so
thick, and curly and soft..... I looked up a couple of times and he was
smiling down at me...Karen and Susan came over and we got another group
shot-with me still touching him. We said goodbye finally and he started
to walk away and stopped and said 'that was the wildest request Ive ever
had from a fan- I'll remember you always, Laurie' then smiled and left.
It was so much fun! Karen and Susan are two of the greatest ladies to
party with! We had the people sitting around us just cracking up...hope
you all have as much fun at your next concert as we did... Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:36:15 -0700
At 11:16 AM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
>'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'
>enjoying the caresses, if you know what I mean...
So were "gratifying him" onstage in front of thousands of people? Oh what
lengths Mandy fans will go to... Did he give ya his hotel room number? ;)
phantm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Important Mandy News- Correction
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:27:56 -0700
Its the other way around- briefs while he's performing, boxers when he's
not..Sorry, but I cant keep my mind from swimming while writing about
this! Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CH episode #3
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:39:17 EDT
In a message dated 10/8/99 10:08:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< With my friends, we
used to be able to tell a woman's age by her falling arse.....now ...since
the arses are propped up.....it's by her elbows. >>
Or her neck. Rings on the neck are a good sign too.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:43:57 -0400
We stayed in the same hotel as he did but we figured we had been lucky
enough. We did not go knocking on doors looking for him. We did run into
Paul Ford at breakfast but we just said hello since he was eating we didn't
bother him. We had a wonderful time it was all in fun. Believe me Laurie
and I were not the only ladies running there hands over his body! Its just
we were faster and once we got our hands on him we didn't let go.
Karen R.
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> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 12:36 PM
>
> At 11:16 AM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
> >'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'
> >enjoying the caresses, if you know what I mean...
>
> So were "gratifying him" onstage in front of thousands of people? Oh what
> lengths Mandy fans will go to... Did he give ya his hotel room number?
;)
>
> phantm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Mandy Question
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 10:42:36 -0700
He recoded it this June and it's release date is the middle of this month. I saw
him in San Francisco in May and he sang a bunch of the songs that will be on it.
klmoss wrote:
> I went to a Mandy concert last spring (he was AMAZING) and he mentioned he had
> a new cd coming out called "Kidults." Does anyone know when that is due out?
> Thanks a bunch.
>
> KT
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:12:21 -0700
Mandy's a big boy and he doesn't need me to defend his honor. He may
enjoy being molested by women who is not married to for all I know.
However, I hope this Springfield experience doesn't incite people to grope
the man inappropriately simply because he makes himself accessible.
I'd like to hope that, while being fun spirited, we all show him the
respect he deserves.
phantm<-- a bit troubled and thinks Mandy's a bigger lunatic than I ever
perceived before
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: MP: Clarification
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:18:16 -0700
Let me clarify why I referred to Mandy as a lunatic: I think he is a
lunatic for being so daring and making himself so accessible to groping
(though I doubt he expected to actually be groped in all the places he may
have been).
phantm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:17:34 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 9:20:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< another chance the following
night...Ladies, hate me forever, but I touched mister man that next
night! I was feeling his lower back, just slid my hand around, seen my
chance and took it! 'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'
enjoying the caresses, if you know what I mean....Well, he *DID* say we
could touch him wherever we wanted! If he h >>
Please tell me this is a joke? A tacky and classless joke? If its NOT a joke,
PLEASE tell me you did NOT tell him your from this list ???
KJ<~~~heading for the Advil double strength.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:20:54 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/1999 2:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
I'd like to hope that, while being fun spirited, we all show him the
respect he deserves.
phantm<-- a bit troubled and thinks Mandy's a bigger lunatic than I ever
perceived before >>
I agree that we should all respect Mandy. I do not think that he is a
lunatic, rather I do not believe he expects that some one would grope him on
stage. After all, how many people do? He did this number in past tours and
apparently survived. He really does not seem to understand the intense fan
reaction he can inspire. I think he treats it all as a joke----he would be a
lunatic to take it seriously. He is a bit too accommodating, it seems. Some
things should not be asked of him. He may stop being accommodating.
Oh well, he will survive.......
---C
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Important Mandy News- Correction
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:34:07 -0400
These are the some of the highlights Laurie missed. She told you the fact
that we got in line twice every evening and we hung around till he left.
What she didn't tell you was that everytime I went up to him I kissed him.
I even land one on his neck that was a nuzzle I will never forget. I had to
kiss him so many times because I was worried that Laurie was to shaky with
that new zoom camera(yeah right)
Things worked out well with Laurie camera because it took her so long to
get it to flash I got to hang on to him longer. I am not sure if she
remembered that he told us he has been in Columbus and he was checking out
Univ. for his son he like Kenyon college and Oberland college. And how he
got a kick out of the Amish buggies in the Northern part of Ohio. By the
second concert Mandy was calling us by name ( it pays to go threw the line
twice) He laughed at our craziness and yelled for us to behave and get in
the pictures. Laurie did get carried away on touch me anywhere but he said
we could. All I can say is during the grabbing of his ass and Mister Man
our Mandy never missed a note he just keep singing.
Karen R
We also were the first to run up with change when he asked he said to us
you ladies know the drill.
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> From: Laurie
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Important Mandy News- Correction
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 3:27 PM
>
> Its the other way around- briefs while he's performing, boxers when he's
> not..Sorry, but I cant keep my mind from swimming while writing about
> this! Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Springfield groping
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:46:45 +1000
Lucky Karen R wrote:
<<< Believe me Laurie and I were not the only ladies running there hands
over his body! Its just
we were faster and once we got our hands on him we didn't let go. >>>
Who in their right minds would WANT to?!
SueH
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:47:51 -0400
I am sure he will survive because he is doing this every show. His words
were touch me anywhere you want and remember I need at least two hundred of
you up here because I have a big ego. When you say something like that you
know you will have lots of hands on you. He gave a lot a ladies the thrill
of there lives I don't think it got out of hand and I was there and I am
sure he didn't think so either thats why he does it every night.
Karen R
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> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 2:20 PM
>
> In a message dated 10/9/1999 2:12:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> I'd like to hope that, while being fun spirited, we all show him the
> respect he deserves.
>
> phantm<-- a bit troubled and thinks Mandy's a bigger lunatic than I ever
> perceived before >>
>
>
> I agree that we should all respect Mandy. I do not think that he is a
> lunatic, rather I do not believe he expects that some one would grope him on
> stage. After all, how many people do? He did this number in past tours and
> apparently survived. He really does not seem to understand the intense fan
> reaction he can inspire. I think he treats it all as a joke----he would be a
> lunatic to take it seriously. He is a bit too accommodating, it seems. Some
> things should not be asked of him. He may stop being accommodating.
>
> Oh well, he will survive.......
>
> ---C
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:54:59 EDT
I read with gaping shock and dismay the following:::
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:08:47 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 11:51:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< nds on you. He gave a lot a ladies the thrill
of there lives I don't think it got out of hand and I was there and I am
sure he didn't think so either thats why he does it every night. >>
Well, yes he wants you to touch him and its fun for him and he did ask..
HOWEVER... regarding the other post I am almost positive that he never
imagined anyone would be so vulgar as to touch him in such an intimate way.
If the shoe were on the other foot and a woman performer asked all the men to
come up and touch her and a man put his had where Laurie said she did, that
man could wind up in jail. Not only would it be weird but it would be
considered molestation ( oh how I hate to use that word , because of my shady
past : ) ) but you know what I mean.
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CH Ratings
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:11:54 EDT
In a message dated 9/29/99 9:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
> There was indeed (and this is truly MP related, too)! In the paperback, the
> publisher got cold feet about my quoting a MP song, and made me rework it so
> that the lyric was only referred to. Grrr.
>
Okay, Brenda, now tell us which MP lyric you quoted and the context, please. :)
Robin
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:14:07 -0400
I don't believe for a minute any person man or woman who said something
like touch me anywhere. Did not know what they were getting into. I was in
that crowd he had more hands on his butt than I could count. And I don't
believe for a minute all you ladies on the list wouldn't go for a butt grab
if you had the chance.
Karen R.
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> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 3:08 PM
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 11:51:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << nds on you. He gave a lot a ladies the thrill
> of there lives I don't think it got out of hand and I was there and I am
> sure he didn't think so either thats why he does it every night. >>
>
> Well, yes he wants you to touch him and its fun for him and he did ask..
> HOWEVER... regarding the other post I am almost positive that he never
> imagined anyone would be so vulgar as to touch him in such an intimate way.
> If the shoe were on the other foot and a woman performer asked all the men to
> come up and touch her and a man put his had where Laurie said she did, that
> man could wind up in jail. Not only would it be weird but it would be
> considered molestation ( oh how I hate to use that word , because of my shady
> past : ) ) but you know what I mean.
> KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Numbers
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:15:18 EDT
In a message dated 9/29/99 11:46:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
> Now...don't you think it
> would be interesting to try and piece together the women Mandy's been
> interested in?
Yes, I'd be interested to find out who Mandy dated! I wonder if the problem
is that none of us knows!
Robin (guess I should read the other 232 messages that I'm behind before
chipping in my 2 cents, but it's never stopped me before ;)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 14:27:51 -0700
Get a grip, people! It was all in good fun and Mandy had a smile on his
face the whole time. If he wanted me to stop he couldve just touched my
arm! Some of you are acting like I tried raping him on stage. Oh, and
Kathi jo- didnt you tell me how YOU were groping him?? I wasnt
squeezing, or anything- just slid my hand down..and it was wonderful!
:) Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:16:20 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 12:28:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< ng like I tried raping him on stage. Oh, and
Kathi jo- didnt you tell me how YOU were groping him?? I wasnt
squeezing, or anything- just slid my hand down.. >>
I never did THAT ! I did something completly different.
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad-- try#2
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:21:50 EDT
This came thru all messed up- let's try again
I read with gaping shock and dismay the following:::
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:27:45 EDT
I read with gaping shock and dismay the following:::
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:39:20 -0700
There are very few, if any, people on this list who have gone to lengths
I have just to see and hear Mandy, and yes also to meet him
afterwards..How many of you are willing to ride a bus for 36 hours (or
more) to go to his concert? This was not my first long bus trip, nor is
it my last..No one has more respect for the man than I do, AND he asked
for people to come up and touch him- he has had people grabbing him for
years! He also would have said 'above the waist', or something like
that. or JUST put his hand on my arm.. Im sure Im not the first or last
to do it, and he must enjoy it or he wouldnt keep on doing it in his
shows- he knows its all in fun! If he had been the least bit upset with
me, he certainly wouldnt have granted my request to touch his chest
hair. He really got a kick out of that! Besides, where did you people
touch him? Just his face or hands? Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:43:28 -0700
At 2:27 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
>Get a grip, people!
Some of us just think that you got TOO MUCH of a grip. And I don't say
this out of envy or jealousy. Some of us think you went too far and it
reflects badly on fans in general, IMO. Mandy is apparently trying to
create amusement in a concert setting. That doesn't mean you should take
him at his word and touch him anywhere.
Sorry, if it bothers you and you don't share our point of view. But you
should see the email flying around off list about how tasteless many think
your actions were.
phantm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Believe it or not!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:42:42 EDT
Karen R wrote:
There are very few, if any, people on this list who have gone to lengths
>I have just to see and hear Mandy, and yes also to meet him
>afterwards..How many of you are willing to ride a bus for 36 hours (or
>more) to go to his concert?
Oops. Our mistake! Your dedication should win you the prize of touching
his manhood!
phantm<--thinks you don't get it
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:48:29 EDT
I read with gaping shock and dismay the following:
I touched mister man that next
night! I was feeling his lower back, just slid my hand around, seen my
chance and took it! 'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'enjoying
the caresses, if you know what I mean....Well, he *DID* say we
could touch him wherever we wanted! If he had wanted me to stop, he
couldve just put his hand on my arm...
Please tell me I am not the only one who finds this too appalling for words!
If a male fan groped a female performer this way, and then claimed "Well, if
she didn't like it she could have made me stop" would we think it was funny?
I don't know what's worse- that this creature behaved this way, or that she
bragged about it afterwards, thinking we'd all be jealous. What are we,
drunken truckdrivers? ("Hey Mac, I raped a real cutie out on Highway 47 last
night-- bet you wish you had a piece of that!")
And if any of you are/ were/ know/ like truckdrivers, this is not meant to be
a slur. Not against truckdrivers, anyhow.
DMNY, so incredibly horrified you just can't believe it.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:51:49 -0400
After reading the posts about the Springfield concert, I guess I just have
one question: whatever happened to a little something called RESPECT?? It's
not up to me to judge anyone else's actions, and Mandy can certainly take
care of himself, but I just know that I have far too much regard for him to
ever step over the line like that. I know he makes the invitation to come
on up and touch him anywhere, but I seriously doubt he intends for it to
turn into a free-for-all. I thought Laurie's teaser yesterday about boxers
vs. briefs was just going to turn out to be some funny, innocent
occurence......guess not. I'm sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but I
just find this whole incident to be rude and disrespectful and I think it
really takes advantage of Mandy's accessibility to his fans.
-Char
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Multiple posts
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:50:24 EDT
All-
Don't know what went wrong- why some came thru, some didn't and some
multiplied.
I guess my computer was as horrified as I.
DMNY
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:53:15 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 2:03:57 PM EST, [email protected] writes:
<< When you say something like that you
know you will have lots of hands on you. He gave a lot a ladies the thrill
of there lives I don't think it got out of hand and I was there and I am
sure he didn't think so either thats why he does it every night. >>
IMHO, there is a line that fans ought to respect, no matter what Mandy might
say. When he said "touch him anywhere" , he was being funny and never
expected ANYONE to touch him in his private areas (ever wonder WHY it is
called private areas? - bec no one is supposed to touch there!) I believe the
Springfield group of gropers went waaayyy over the line and were totally
inappropriate for just a cheap thrill. Entertainers should be respected and
so should their private areas....I saw Coffee...done 7 yrs ago in "Dress
casual" and then again in York, NO ONE ELSE went over the line and everyone
respected Mandy as the super entertainer he is.
IMHO, the Springfield gropers had no respect for Mandy and even less for
themselves.....
Ina
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Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:59:10 -0700
At 4:48 PM -0400 10/9/99, wrote:
>DMNY, so incredibly horrified you just can't believe it.
I can. You are not alone.
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Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:58:03 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 2:23:55 PM EST, [email protected] writes:
<< And I don't
believe for a minute all you ladies on the list wouldn't go for a butt grab
if you had the chance. >>
Er..excuse me, but I did have the chance in York (and in NY for Dress casual)
and so did Mary Ann and NEITHER of us would cross that line...nor did we see
anyone else doing butt grabs or worse, like you gals did. You don't "get"
it...he was NOT inviting lewdness and molestation when he said "touch him
anywhere" he was being "cute".
Fans ought to realize this....
Ina
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Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:00:34 EDT
I really agree. This is way, way overboard and actions like this are an
embarrassment to everyone.
And the logic! The justification! That's like a judge saying "Well, she was
asking for it-- why else would she wear a short skirt while walking past a
construction site?"
Mandy must have been asking to be groped like that, else why come out and
sign autographs after the show?
You know what? I think he should stop. Really. The world is getting too
dangerous and people are too damn weird, and he should just retire to his
dressing room and wait until the limo comes. And we should advise him to do
just that, before someone even MORE spaced out scrapes together the $$ for a
ticket. I know that he's naive about a lot of things, and I know Kath has
nerves of steel, but this is too much to ask of any performer. This is very,
very bad.
DMNY
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:02:31 -0700
Sorry...just read my email. I should probably wait before posting. But I
won't. There's fantasy and there's reality....and what I've just read about
groping Mandy and the rest goes over the line in my opinion.
And if anyone who sees Mandy knows he's affiliated with this list, then
what they do reflects on us.
And if that Geiger card is the one I made...I had given it to Mandy so,
even though I'm sure he doesn't remember....let me just say I just hope he
doesn't connect me with it.
I don't understand Mandy. I'll be very interested to see if he asks
everyone on stage at his next show. If so, he's asking for it, and I'll
rethink my image of him....Carol
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:14:43 -0700
I wrote:
>And if anyone who sees Mandy knows he's affiliated with this list, then
>>what they do reflects on us.
What I meant...but was too angry to put right was....that if Mandy knows
someone is affiliated with this list, then what they do reflects on all of
us (in my opinion)....C
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:19:20 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> At 2:27 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
> >Get a grip, people!
>
> Some of us just think that you got TOO MUCH of a grip. And I don't say
> this out of envy or jealousy. Some of us think you went too far and it
> reflects badly on fans in general, IMO. Mandy is apparently trying to
> create amusement in a concert setting. That doesn't mean you should take
> him at his word and touch him anywhere.
> Like I said, he could have stopped me at any time- and its not like I grabbed or held on to it! He was being touched EVERYWHERE! bY MANY women.. didnt that happen at York or any of the dozens of other places? People just shook his hand or something on stage? I truly doubt it...
>
Sorry, if it bothers you and you don't share our point of view.
It doesnt really bother me and certainly everyone is entitled to their
opinions, myself included, but DONT TAKE THE SITUATION OUT OF THE
CONTEXT IT HAPPENED IN! Certainly it would be ENTIRELY different if
someone were to grab him anywhere while meeting him in line, or on the
street, etc.But in a 'amusement/entertainment' situation where he
himself invites it, it DOES have a different meaning! He obviously does
enjoy being touched by a lot of crazed women at once!
>
should see the email flying around off list about how tasteless many
think
> your actions were.
Oh, I have (LOL)! Im sure not one of you have ever touched anything but
his hands or face, right? While on the stage, I mean.....I bet if he
does this number in Scottsdale you will all just line up to shake his
hand...Just like they MUSTVE done in York, right ladies? Certainly
EVERYONE should behave with decorum while doing the 'meet and greet'
afterwards- it IS a different situation and I would never say or do
anything inappropriate in that setting. Laurie
>
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:22:43 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/1999 5:03:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
I don't understand Mandy. I'll be very interested to see if he asks
everyone on stage at his next show. If so, he's asking for it, and I'll
rethink my image of him....Carol
>>
Mandy has done this number for years. It is a big group participation number
and most people who come on stage dont even come into contact with him, so I
doubt he expects a tremendous amount of physical contact. The number is a
joke!! He does it to get the audience involved and makes several comments
which are designed to be jokes--bring your gifts now, you have mortgaged your
homes to come her, etc....its meant to be in fun. I dont think it should lead
to a change of opinion of him for doing this number.
Considering that there is a huge crowd around him for a minute or two, I
doubt he even feels when people grab him, so like I said before, he will
survive.
Having said all that and having posted before that I disagreed with these
actions, let me also say that Laurie and Karen and friends were just having
fun--lets not make them feel bad because we dont agree or wouldnt do that.
Mandy lived, he is not going to think we all want to grab his crotch or
whatever, he isnt scarred by all of this and he doesnt think it was a "list"
project.
Everyone has different sensibilities on the list and we need to respect that
in our posts as well.
------C.......getting off soapbox now
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:25:40 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 2:03:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
<<
I don't understand Mandy. I'll be very interested to see if he asks
everyone on stage at his next show. If so, he's asking for it, and I'll
rethink my image of him....Carol
>>
No Carol, he will do it again, banking on the fact that something like that
would certainly not happen a second time. That it was a tacky fluke.. That
is my guess, but we shall see.
KJ
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:30:20 -0700
>
>Oh, I have (LOL)! Im sure not one of you have ever touched anything but
>his hands or face, right? While on the stage, I mean.....I bet if he
>does this number in Scottsdale you will all just line up to shake his
>hand...Just like they MUSTVE done in York, right ladies? Certainly
>EVERYONE should behave with decorum while doing the 'meet and greet'
>afterwards- it IS a different situation and I would never say or do
>anything inappropriate in that setting. Laurie
>>
>>
If you think it is acceptable to grope for his penis in any circumstance
(other than by invitation in his hotel room--and that is questionable
because of his marriage), then I think your judgement is very poor.
Believe it or not, some of us know where fantasy ends and reality begins
and do not plan to grope Mandy and then brag about it like a badge of honor
afterwards.
There is a lot of lustfluffing and joking on this list at times. And some
here have been known to grope his chest area in the past. But to grope for
his penis is too much. There are some lines you don't cross, despite the
context that you cite for support.
I find your pride in your actions shameful.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:31:28 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 2:20:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< ne is entitled to their
opinions, myself included, but DONT TAKE THE SITUATION OUT OF THE
CONTEXT IT HAPPENED IN! Certainly it would be ENTIRELY different if
someone were to grab him anywhere while meeting him in line, or on the
street, etc.But in a 'amusement/entertainment' >>
OK let me get this straight .... You touched his penis? And because it was on
stage it was ok? What am I missing here...or better question, what are you
missing?
KJ<~~sorry to be so graphic.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Springfield
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
After reading the accounts of I can't help but think
Mandy asked for what he got. What I think he meant as
fun can easily get out of control. While I am sure all
of us fantasize about this, we would never do it. I
would be more concerned about what he would think of
me as an individual rather that the reputation of the
Internet group. If he did get arounsed by this, that
too is a shame, while it is flattering it does border
on disrespectful. How many other entertainers would
one consider doing that too. I would doubt that he
will do this again and hope he rethinks the group
participation thing again. I certainly have had the
chance to grab him below the waist but don;t consider
it ladylike in a large goup of people. I settled for
the hug and kiss
Just my thoughts
Karen
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:30:00 -0700
I am glad a few people understand, if not support what I did. However
you may think it otherwise it was all done in fun! He certainly must
enjoy being fondled by a group of women or he wouldnt do the number in
his show..Mandy didnt miss a beat in singing and kept a smile on his
face the whole time. Im sure Im not the first or last to do this.. many
of you act as though I grabbed his zipper and tried to yank his pants
off! I know the difference between fantasy and reality- I just had the
chance to live out one!(LOL) I have read far more raunchier things on
this list than what I did. And if so many of you were so 'horrified and
offended' by my actions, why have I gotten several private emails asking
for details? Laurie (guessing Im not the only Minnesotan to get in
trouble by opening their mouth)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:33:10 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 2:03:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
> writes:
>
> <<
> I don't understand Mandy. I'll be very interested to see if he asks
> everyone on stage at his next show. If so, he's asking for it, and I'll
> rethink my image of him....Carol
> >>
> No Carol, he will do it again, banking on the fact that something like that
> would certainly not happen a second time. That it was a tacky fluke.. That
> is my guess, but we shall see.
> KJ
Im sure he was thinking it may happen (probably not for the first
time)or he wouldve at least been slightly suprised by it. He didnt miss
a beat while singing! Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: pic in NY'er
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
I stopped by my library and saw the pic of Mandy. It
truly is gorgeous. I hope it gets put on someone's
webpage.
Karen
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Subject: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:36:17 EDT
All-
Perhaps Laurie and Karen were right, and Mandy was asking for it. After all,
he did behave in a friendly, flirtatious manner.
In a similar vein, I was passing by his apartment not long ago, and noticed
that he hadn't locked his door. So I went in and helped myself to the stuff
in the fridge and this nifty leather jacket. Normally, that would be theft,
but he hadn't locked up, so he was asking for it.
Not only that, but Joanne spotted Gideon skating in the park and kidnapped
him, releasing him only after receiving a hefty ransom. We would normally
think of this as a criminal act, but it really wasn't because the Patinkins
were asking for it by not hiring the kid a bodyguard.
So who are we to conclude that this "molestation" was wrong? He was asking
for it! And after having ridden 17 thousand miles on a bus, Laurie was
entitled to 'grab' all that she could. We should all lighten up.
DMNY- wondering if mauling a married man and then gloating about it AND
letting us all know one's email address is "asking for" a virus.....
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:47:27 -0700
At 5:33 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
>Im sure he was thinking it may happen (probably not for the first
>time)or he wouldve at least been slightly suprised by it. He didnt miss
>a beat while singing! Laurie
Aren't you taking the bus all the way to FLorida soon, Laurie? I think
perhaps you deserve more than a hand grope onstage next time. After all,
he says you can touch anything and doesn't specify touch him with what.
Why not test his concentration even further?
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
Qhat? she got his email address?
Karen
--- [email protected] wrote:
> All-
>
> Perhaps Laurie and Karen were right, and Mandy was
> asking for it. After all,
> he did behave in a friendly, flirtatious manner.
>
> In a similar vein, I was passing by his apartment
> not long ago, and noticed
> that he hadn't locked his door. So I went in and
> helped myself to the stuff
> in the fridge and this nifty leather jacket.
> Normally, that would be theft,
> but he hadn't locked up, so he was asking for it.
>
> Not only that, but Joanne spotted Gideon skating in
> the park and kidnapped
> him, releasing him only after receiving a hefty
> ransom. We would normally
> think of this as a criminal act, but it really
> wasn't because the Patinkins
> were asking for it by not hiring the kid a
> bodyguard.
>
> So who are we to conclude that this "molestation"
> was wrong? He was asking
> for it! And after having ridden 17 thousand miles
> on a bus, Laurie was
> entitled to 'grab' all that she could. We should
> all lighten up.
>
> DMNY- wondering if mauling a married man and then
> gloating about it AND
> letting us all know one's email address is "asking
> for" a virus.....
>
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:47:50 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> All-
>
> Perhaps Laurie and Karen were right, and Mandy was asking for it. After all,
> he did behave in a friendly, flirtatious manner.
>
> In a similar vein, I was passing by his apartment not long ago, and noticed
> that he hadn't locked his door. So I went in and helped myself to the stuff
> in the fridge and this nifty leather jacket. Normally, that would be theft,
> but he hadn't locked up, so he was asking for it.
>
> Not only that, but Joanne spotted Gideon skating in the park and kidnapped
> him, releasing him only after receiving a hefty ransom. We would normally
> think of this as a criminal act, but it really wasn't because the Patinkins
> were asking for it by not hiring the kid a bodyguard.
>
> So who are we to conclude that this "molestation" was wrong? He was asking
> for it! And after having ridden 17 thousand miles on a bus, Laurie was
> entitled to 'grab' all that she could. We should all lighten up.
>
> DMNY- wondering if mauling a married man and then gloating about it AND
> letting us all know one's email address is "asking for" a virus.....
This is truly an exercize in idiocy....Laurie
ps- I was not 'gloating' about it- nor did I 'maul' him. I was just
giving my report...how can you be this immature?
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:51:19 EDT
K- No, No, No-- I meant that we know hers, not that she knows his.
DMNY
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:54:35 EDT
Laurie wrote:
> Qhat? she got his email address?
> Karen
> --- [email protected] wrote:
> > > > DMNY- wondering if mauling a married man and then
> > gloating about it AND
> > letting us all know one's email address is "asking
> > for" a virus.....
> >
> No Karen,
This is a 'not so veiled threat' to me- she should really get a life!
Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:06:09 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Laurie wrote:
>
> Oh, easy, dearie-- you were asking for it!
Little things amuse little minds, I guess... Laurie
ps- you DO realize I have your email addy also, dont you?
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject:
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:05:06 -0400
hi mandy's mailing list!! my name is kristal and i m a big mandy fan!!!!
do u have info on concert dates???? thanx!!!!! i would just about die to
meet mandy in the flesh!!! indigo montoya is my favorite movie!!!
kristal
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE Rethinking
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:08:56 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Phantm wrote:
>
>
> I walk down Monica Lewinsky's block on my way to NYU.... Maybe I can ask if
> Laurie can borrow her kneepads???
>
> DMNY, trying to be helpful
Like none of you would want to if you were given the chance!(LOL)
Ive read some pretty raunchy things on here... Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:07:27 -0400
am i on the rite list? this is the mandy patinkin fan club rite?
On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:01:30 -0700 Laurie
writes:
>Karen Nelson-Nygren wrote:
>>
>> Qhat? she got his email address?
>> Karen
>> --- [email protected] wrote:
>> > > > DMNY- wondering if mauling a married man and then
>> > gloating about it AND
>> > letting us all know one's email address is "asking
>> > for" a virus.....
>> >
>> No Karen,
>This is a 'not so veiled threat' to me- she should really get a life!
>Laurie
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Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:49:28 +0100
Hi,
> Perhaps Laurie and Karen were right, and Mandy was asking for it. After all,
> he did behave in a friendly, flirtatious manner.
Uhm, I admit I wasn't paying much attention lately, could you fill me in
on the details please? What was he supposed to be asking for? Did anyone
do anything to/with (!!) him? It sounds like this is quite a big
thing...
Bye, Nadine
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:14:55 -0700
At 6:08 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
>Like none of you would want to if you were given the chance!(LOL)
>Ive read some pretty raunchy things on here... Laurie
Again:
FANTASY
________________________________
REALITY
Notice the line in between? Apparently not.
phantm
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To: [email protected]
Subject: more nonsense
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:12:23 EDT
Laurie wrote:
am i on the rite list? this is the mandy patinkin fan club rite?
This is the Mandy Patinkin mailing list. Ask Patinkinitis about the fan
club 'rite'.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE Rethinking
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:30:22 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> At 6:08 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
> >Like none of you would want to if you were given the chance!(LOL)
> >Ive read some pretty raunchy things on here... Laurie
>
> Again:
>
> FANTASY
>
> ________________________________
>
> REALITY
>
> Notice the line in between? Apparently not.
>
> phantm
>
Havent you EVER lived out any of your fantasies?? Laurie
Ps- I do know the difference- it was just fun stepping over the line
once!
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:33:39 -0700
danascx wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Perhaps Laurie and Karen were right, and Mandy was asking for it. After all,
> > he did behave in a friendly, flirtatious manner.
> Uhm, I admit I wasn't paying much attention lately, could you fill me in
> on the details please? What was he supposed to be asking for? Did anyone
> do anything to/with (!!) him? It sounds like this is quite a big
> thing...
>
> Bye, Nadine
Hi Nadine,
No, it really isnt a 'big thing' at all... people just shooting off
their mouths (as happens from time to time around here..)Gives people
something to squabble about till the next thing comes along... Laurie
(who is getting bored with all this nonsense)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: more nonsense
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:40:05 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Laurie wrote:
>
> Of course, daahlink. That's what makes this so much fun!
>
> And as for your suggesting I get a life-- I HAVE a life. That is why I don't
> travel on a friggin bus for 36 hours to grope a married man and then brag
> about it on the internet. People with LIVES don't do that. Do you really
> not get it?? Do you not get it at all?
>
> DMNY
Apparently you did not read my entire post. I came to see and hear Mandy
for the 2 shows- the grope was a bonus! KIDDING!! If I could afford to
fly to the concerts I would- but for me I need to go by bus or walk.
Unless I choose to only go to one show, or something...As far as a life,
I do have one also... I spend far less time persuing my Mandy interests
than some others on the list, like phantm- who must spend ALL her free
time looking up things to post or put up on her (truly wonderful) page
on Mandy...Laurie
ps- I already said I was not 'gloating!'
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:49:17 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> At 6:07 PM -0400 10/9/99, Kristal Lite wrote:
> >am i on the rite list? this is the mandy patinkin fan club rite?
>
> This is the Mandy Patinkin mailing list. Ask Patinkinitis about the fan
> club 'rite'.
>
> phantm
>
You do make me laugh, phantm...Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject:
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:12:59 +0100
Sound like just good fun to me. I didn't think you sound like a mad rapist.
Too much p.c. if you ask me.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:53:11 +0100
Hi again,
I know I just asked for someone to explain the events that led up to
this discussion, but I did a little research myself, meaning I read
yesterday's posts and now I think I got the picture.
As far as I could make out by reading (correct me if I'm wrong), a list
member, Laurie, along with a friend of hers, was at a Mandy Concert in
Springfield, I guess they went upon the stage along with other fans,
everybody was dancing, of course people touched their idol occasionally,
and Laurie then took what she thought of as her chance and actually
grabbed for his manhood...
Now, at this point I'd like to say that I'm from Germany, and I will
probably never ever have the chance to see Mandy live, I only got two of
his CD's; they're not available here, and I barely get the chance to see
him other than in Chicago Hope re-runs in which of course he does not
even have his real voice. Most likely he will never go on a tour
anywhere near here. Seeing him live is an unfulfilled dream of mine.
So I got mad with rage when I read just how some people treat what I
think of as a gift given to them: the gift of having the possibility to
actually see him on stage, to experience him. I can't believe just how
anyone could do such a thing, it felt to me she treated him like, well
like an object, so carelessly.
What would you do if, after what happened, he would never go on a tour
again? How would you feel if you suddenly weren't able to take the bus,
watch the show and get a grip? Imagine he'd just say 'that's it folks'
and quit it all? (I couldn't blame him.) Maybe then you'd realize how
lucky you are to be able to take the bus and watch the show, and maybe
next time you'll do so without touching his private parts, without
risking all of that, this chance that you have, which other people can
just wish for.
Apart from that, I don't think I have to tell you, Laurie, that what you
did violates every rule, every imagination of politeness and respect,
and could give him quite an idea what kinds of people his fans are.
Touching a strange person's body, especially their intimate parts,
whether in private or in public, is something no one has any right to
and I cannot imagine that Mandy would have longed for your touch.
The whole matter, including saying he wanted it, is exremly degrading.
Think about it the next time!!
Nadine
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE Rethinking
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:24:43 +0100
While we're all taking the moral high ground many people would say that
fantasising about a married man is no different to adutory.
I can't believe this. I thought it was ment to be the English that were up
tight! He's a grown man and he can look after himself. You're all acting
like overprotective mothers. You just listen to his music for goodness sake,
you're not there to act as his moral police force.
As for sending someone a virus isn't that rather purile behaviour. Someone
does something you don't agree with so you smash their toys? Grow the heck
up.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:24:05 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 11:12:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Mandy's a big boy and he doesn't need me to defend his honor. He may
enjoy being molested by women who is not married to for all I know.
However, I hope this Springfield experience doesn't incite people to grope
the man inappropriately simply because he makes himself accessible.
I'd like to hope that, while being fun spirited, we all show him the
respect he deserves.
phantm<-- a bit troubled and thinks Mandy's a bigger lunatic than I ever
perceived before >>
yes but remember , this is one..or two people's version......
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:25:46 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 11:23:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< He really does not seem to understand the intense fan
reaction he can inspire. I think he treats it all as a joke----he would be a
lunatic to take it seriously. He is a bit too accommodating, it seems. Some
things should not be asked of him. He may stop being accommodating.
Oh well, he will survive.......
---C >>
yes HE may become less accommodating..but then again, mauling him like that
is just a bit too much, esp. if this was a true story....
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Believe it or not!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:30:34 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 1:44:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< >
I guess LADIES would be the operative word here
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:31:08 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 1:49:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
DMNY, so incredibly horrified you just can't believe it.
>>
you are not alone
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:35:07 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 2:29:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< There is a lot of lustfluffing and joking on this list at times >>
but most people know real from imagined..hmm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:36:08 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 3:05:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< hat I think he meant as
fun can easily get out of control. While I am sure all
of us fantasize about this, we would never do it. >>
I would hate to think that we all "fantacize" about him..geez..this list gets
more and more weird...
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:41:02 -0700
Nadine,
Im getting really tired of explaining to people that it was just in GOOD
FUN! I did NOT just grab for hid 'private parts' I slowly slid my hand
down.. he knew where it was going and could have stopped me EASILY by
merely putting his hand on my arm or making some movement away from me.
I am one of MANY people who were on that stage touching him.. he was
TRULY enjoying himself up there with all these women touching him. He
said he wanted at least 200 people to come up and touch him 'wherever
they want'If he had been the LEAST bit suprised he would have either
missed a beat in his singing or pulled even slightly away. He did
neither! He was extremely nice and friendly to me after the show- and I
have seen him give the ice treatment or mere polite friendliness to
people-he was genuinely friendly with me. I feel that this whole thing
is getting blown way out of proportion. I did not intend to disrespect
him in any way and I believe he knew that, or he wouldnt have been that
friendly afterwards.. like he told one fellow who wanted him to kiss his
girlfriend like he did in the show- 'no, thats all part of the act up
there' - believe me, I do not take seeing Mandy for granted. I have a
much harder time doing it than the majority of those on the list..I hope
other people are getting as bored with this discussion as I am. Lets
move on.... Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:42:30 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 4:11:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< am i on the rite list? this is the mandy patinkin fan club rite?
>>
it's the fan-groping fan club
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:50:06 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 5:42:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< ..I hope
other people are getting as bored with this discussion as I am. Lets
move on.... Laurie
>>
my question is..why did you post just a small part of it initially?..to
intrigue everyone? then BAM!!! out with the story............or did it take
that long to make it up ? .-)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:53:51 -0700
At 7:41 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
>Im getting really tired of explaining to people that it was just in GOOD
>FUN!
Done in good fun, but low class, tasteless, and disrespectful. It is my
hope (as others have expressed) that he won't associate you in his mind as
an "internet" fan. (As for him being sweet to you afterward. The man is a
great ACTOR!!!! If he is bullsh**ing with any of us, how would we know?
Besides, he may not have a clue who groped him.) Believe it or not, the
way you behave can affect the way he treats fans in the future. At least
you admitted finally in a previous post that you crossed the line.
.I hope
>other people are getting as bored with this discussion as I am. Lets
>move on.... Laurie
Fine with me.
phantm
############################################################
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http://www.petermacnicol.net http://www.mandypatinkin.net
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 19:56:33 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 5:42:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << ..I hope
> other people are getting as bored with this discussion as I am. Lets
> move on.... Laurie
> >>
> my question is..why did you post just a small part of it initially?..to
> intrigue everyone? then BAM!!! out with the story............or did it take
> that long to make it up ? .-)
No Smittynag,
C and a couple others had asked if anyone was going to the concerts and
I wanted to let them know a report would be coming. I didnt realize it
would cause such an uproar... maybe I should have said I did him in the
elevator or something- really gotten a rise out of people(lol) It took
me that long to get the kinks out of my ass from sitting for 18 hours on
the bus! I also had other things to do- work, laundry, shopping, etc- I
dont sit on a computer all day! Ps- every word is true- whether you
believe it or not...there were witnesses! Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re:MP
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:00:26 EDT
Can we just let this issue die down and play nice now? This has kind of
played itself out, don't you think?
Taylor(not wanting hate mail or a virus)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:20:21 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
>
that he won't associate you in his mind as
> an "internet" fan.
Well, Im sorry you feel that way, but I joined this list for info on
Mandy, not to kowtow to you or anyone else- the purpose of this list is
to share info on Mandy- that is what he knows about it- I hope he doesnt
hear of all the backstabbing and bitchiness that goes on here..and yes,
he does know that Im a list member- although Im beginning to rethink
that...
(As for him being sweet to you afterward. The man is a
> great ACTOR!!!! If he is bullsh**ing with any of us, how would we know?
I have seen him give the 'ice treatment' to people after the shows- if
he's angry with someone, he shows it! Believe me, He doesnt act then...
>
Besides, he may not have a clue who groped him.) Maybe not- who knows?
Believe it or not, the
> way you behave can affect the way he treats fans in the future.
Im sure in the previous YEARS that he did this- its happened before and
it will happen again. Im sure he attributed it to an over-zealous fan,if
I may borrow Char's words and didnt give it a second thought.
>
.I hope
> >other people are getting as bored with this discussion as I am. Lets
> >move on.... Laurie
>
> Fine with me.
>
> phantm
>
> I hope others agree- Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CH episode #3
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:43:58 -0500
At 10:03 PM 10/8/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>I thought the Tourette (sp) dr was fabulous....(did he use to be on
>Benson?)
Yes, and more recently Deep Space Nine.
DR
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: springfield
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:04:37 -0400
This behavior reflects on the whole List and I, for one, am ashamed &
embarrassed. No one in York, PA behaved that way! Tasteless!! Don't
compare your behavior to what you think ours would be. There is no
comparison.
What does 36 hrs. on the bus have to do with this??? Nothing!! You
really don't get it.
Mary Ann
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:56:08 -0400
At 08:20 PM 10/9/99 -0700, patinkinitis wrote:
>Im sure in the previous YEARS that he did this- its happened before and
>it will happen again. Im sure he attributed it to an over-zealous fan,if
>I may borrow Char's words and didnt give it a second thought.
Whoa!! First of all, this was in a private post I wrote. Second, this is
taking it out of context and making it appear as though I felt what happened
was okay -- and I do not think that at all. Just to put it in its proper
context, what I wrote was in response to your comment that "he was enjoying
himself up there with many women grabbing at him." This is what I said:
"I still think you overstepped the boundaries of appropriate behavior, but
that's for each person to decide for themselves. Whether or not he expected
and enjoyed the touching....well, he IS a professional. I'm sure he would
just smile and keep going regardless. Having seen him do this number in
York (from my seat, I didn't go on stage), I can believe that he may not
have even realized someone was taking liberties with him. There's a crowd
around him, the audience is pumped up, he's singing......he's probably
pretty oblivious as to where everyone's hands are. And if he did realize,
he probably just disregarded the whole thing and attributed it to an
overzealous fan just getting caught up in the moment."
-Char
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http://home.att.net/~mosert/char/mandy.htm
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:59:58 -0400
So easy to sit back and judge someone's actions when you weren't even
there.
Karen R
----------
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fandom
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 4:43 PM
>
> At 2:27 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
> >Get a grip, people!
>
> Some of us just think that you got TOO MUCH of a grip. And I don't say
> this out of envy or jealousy. Some of us think you went too far and it
> reflects badly on fans in general, IMO. Mandy is apparently trying to
> create amusement in a concert setting. That doesn't mean you should take
> him at his word and touch him anywhere.
>
> Sorry, if it bothers you and you don't share our point of view. But you
> should see the email flying around off list about how tasteless many
think
> your actions were.
>
> phantm
> ############################################################
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> http://www.petermacnicol.net http://www.mandypatinkin.net
> ############################################################
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:11:56 -0700
Char wrote:
>
> At 08:20 PM 10/9/99 -0700, patinkinitis wrote:
> >Im sure in the previous YEARS that he did this- its happened before and
> >it will happen again. Im sure he attributed it to an over-zealous fan,if
> >I may borrow Char's words and didnt give it a second thought.
>
> Whoa!! First of all, this was in a private post I wrote. Second, this is
> taking it out of context and making it appear as though I felt what happened
> was okay -- and I do not think that at all.
Char, I DID NOT mean that you condonded it- I simply felt you expressed
it very well- Im sorry if ANYONE took it that way! jEEZ, people- lets
move on! Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:16:08 -0400
I find it very hard to believe this has not happened to him before or is it
just the women from Ohio went wild. Laurie didn't tell you about the women
kissing his feet or the one wrapped around his leg. I guess he just has
wild crowds in Ohio. Must be the water!
Karen R.
----------
> From: Laurie
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 8:33 PM
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/9/99 2:03:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,[email protected]
> > writes:
> >
> > <<
> > I don't understand Mandy. I'll be very interested to see if he asks
> > everyone on stage at his next show. If so, he's asking for it, and I'll
> > rethink my image of him....Carol
> > >>
> > No Carol, he will do it again, banking on the fact that something like that
> > would certainly not happen a second time. That it was a tacky fluke.. That
> > is my guess, but we shall see.
> > KJ
> Im sure he was thinking it may happen (probably not for the first
> time)or he wouldve at least been slightly suprised by it. He didnt miss
> a beat while singing! Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: springfield
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:23:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: springfield
> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:18:05 -0700
> From: Laurie
> To: "[email protected]"@ksvi.mff.cuni.cz
> References: <[email protected]>
>
> Mary A. Ensor wrote:
> >
> > This behavior reflects on the whole List and I, for one, am ashamed &
> > embarrassed. No one in York, PA behaved that way! Tasteless!! Don't
> > compare your behavior to what you think ours would be. There is no
> > comparison.
> >
> > What does 36 hrs. on the bus have to do with this??? Nothing!! You
> > really don't get it.
> >
> > Mary Ann
> dont get your undies in a bunch, Mary Ann! the time I spent on the bus
> was an answer to someone asking how I can take seeing him so easily for
> granted and I merely explained that it isnt so easy- takes more time and
> commitment for me to do so than many others who can just fly or drive to
> one of his shows and be home the same evening. And as far as what I did
> goes- GET OVER IT PEOPLE! Im sure he didnt give it a second thought- why
> are so many of you dredging it up time and time again? Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:27:37 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 3:05:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< After reading the accounts of I can't help but think
Mandy asked for what he got. >>
Sorry to be crude, but do you also support date rape? Putting yourself in a
situation doesn't mean others have free reign over your body.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:39:52 -0400
I was there and so was Susan we didn't make it up. Susan was the one who
asked the underwear question so don't blame Laurie for that one. You people
are going overboard with this he is a big boy you ladies on the list don't
own him and your not his Mother and what gives you the right to past
judgement on someone you don't know. Not to mention the fact that none of
you saw what happened you weren't there.
Karen R.
----------
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
> Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 8:50 PM
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 5:42:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << ..I hope
> other people are getting as bored with this discussion as I am. Lets
> move on.... Laurie
> >>
> my question is..why did you post just a small part of it initially?..to
> intrigue everyone? then BAM!!! out with the story............or did it take
> that long to make it up ? .-)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:43:52 -0700
[email protected] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 3:05:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << After reading the accounts of I can't help but think
> Mandy asked for what he got. >>
>
> Sorry to be crude, but do you also support date rape? Putting yourself in a
> situation doesn't mean others have free reign over your body.
How can you compare a hand sliding lightly over clothing (while the
person shows NO signs of objecting)with a vicious, brutal act like rape?
That is truly an idiotic comparison. Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: REALITY CHECK
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:46:14 EDT
I have stopped posting to this board for several reasons..1) time 2) time and
3) some rather malicious things were said by those of you who attended
Mandy's concert last summer in NJ.
You know who you are and you know what you said about me and my son Isaac. I
thought of you as friends. I finally realized not only were you not friends
but you could not stand the attention my son gets from Mandy.
Comments made were to the effect:
..she made her son stay up way too late, or she didn't ask him if he wanted
to leave and made him stand in line, she uses her son to get to Mandy...
Bottom line is if any of you losers were watching me and my son you would
have observed me talking to him while he was seated on one of the bars off to
the side. This is when I asked him if he wanted to stay or just go through
the line and shake Mandy's hand. My son chose the latter as he was exhausted
and so was I.
When my son approached Mandy, as you old biddies observed, Mandy whisked him
up hugged him and said to the crowd "this is my oldest fan"..Mandy then asked
Isaac to stay and help collect the money.
Obviously the jealousy for Mandy's attention runs so deep in many of you that
you believe I use my son as a cover of some sort to get to Mandy. If any of
you busy bodies had been noticing, I was standing far off to the side and
never once hugged, kissed or disgustingly groped the man. When all was over
I shook his hand and we left.
For those of you concerned about me taking my son back to the hotel "bar" for
dinner, keep your insipid thoughts to yourself..He hadn't eaten all day and
that was the only place we could eat at that hour.
By the way, I picked up the tab for most of you including you Laurie...and
never got a single thanks..
Next time if we see each other at a concert please ignore me and my son, I
won't be in the company of gossip mongers and jealous, pathetic, pitiful
women.
I am ashamed to have considered any of you who made such comments as
friends..you are nothing more than women with sick fantasies trying to
command the presence of Mandy Patinkin for your own personal aggrandizement
and self satisfaction..
As for you Laurie, your actions were not only revolting but indicative of a
person who is either emotionally insecure or in desperate need of therapy.
There is no doubt you are so affected by Mandy Patinkin that you will stop at
nothing to realize your fantasies..
Michelle<----- feeling much better getting this off my mind now.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Nonsense
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:49:51 -0700
Im getting really tired of all this nonsense- maybe I should ask Dot to
come back! LOL- Laurie
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Nonsense
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:57:11 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 10:50:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: Nonsense
> Date: 10/9/99 10:50:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected] (Laurie)
> Sender: [email protected]
> Reply-to: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> Im getting really tired of all this nonsense- maybe I should ask Dot to
> come back! LOL- Laurie
>
As much as I dislike some of what Dot posted I don;t think she would do
anything as disgusting as you did..
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:46:09 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 3:05:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< k he meant as
fun can easily get out of control. While I am sure all
of us fantasize about this, we >>
Believe it or not I do NOT fantasize about doing that.
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE Rethinking
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:56:24 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 4:09:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Like none of you would want to if you were given the chance!(LOL)
Ive read some pretty raunchy things on here... Laurie
>>
If you cant see by the flavor of all these negative posts about your actions
that WE WOULD NOT DO THE SAME THING GIVEN THE CHANCE..... I have one
suggestion for you ..... can you say "Medication " ?
Read, digest and think for moment what people are saying to you.
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rethinking
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:00:20 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 4:50:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
> phantm
>
You do make me laugh, phantm...Laurie
>>
Too bad the feeling isn't mutual.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:11:42 -0500
Re: the "Mandy Liked It" defense:
I ask myself two things:
1. If I were onstage and invited people up to touch me "anywhere they
wanted" would I in my wildest dreams imagine that they'd go for my privates?
Um, no.
2. Would I "really like it" if a crowd of gorgeous men whom I knew and
adored were to fondle my boobs, my crotch, my butt in public? Um, no again,
much less a bunch of not-so-glamorous strangers.
Sorry, you fun-loving gropers and potential gropers, please count one more
on the list of those who think this was inappropriate, disrespectful and
sorta sad.
DR
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:11:23 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 5:32:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
DMNY, so incredibly horrified you just can't believe it.
>>
you are not alone
>>
Not only are you not alone... your having a gawd dang festivial.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:15:33 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 5:42:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Im getting really tired of explaining to people that it was just in GOOD
FUN! I did NOT just grab for hid 'private parts' I slowly slid my h >>
Fun for who? Seems like it was only fun for you. And as for your insane
explanation that he liked it just because he didn't miss a beat or move away.
Mandy is a professional, he acts like one. He would not let one insane fan
disrupt his show.
KJ
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: springfield
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:25:16 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 6:52:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
What does 36 hrs. on the bus have to do with this??? Nothing!! You
really don't get it.
Mary Ann
>>
maybe she was smokin' some good stuff.??.......:-)
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:25:07 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 7:41:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< r and what gives you the right to past
judgement on someone you don't know. Not to mention the fact that none of
you saw what happened you weren't there.
Karen R. >>
And thank God for that !!
KJ <~~thinks Karen forgot it was described to us in detail.
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Nonsense
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:28:35 EDT
In a message dated 10/9/99 7:50:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Im getting really tired of all this nonsense- maybe I should ask Dot to
come back! LOL- Laurie
>>
Maybe you should just stop laughing.
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