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Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:45:52 -0700
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This is the last response I am giving to this as it is getting really
sickening and being blown way out of context. Why do you feel the need
to keep rehashing the same thing over and over? Are your minds so small
that they can only grasp and digest one subject at a time? I have seen
this pattern before, so I know it is not the subject matter. Apparently
in this group there is NO tolerance for different viewpoints, despite
what I have been told in private emails. I cannot blame them for not
wanting the wrath of the group upon them- not that I'll lose any sleep
over it! But Im sure Mandy either didnt mind or didnt give it a second
thought- so I really dont understand why you people dont do the same. I
cannot understand these personal attacks, either. If you disapprove of
what I did, I really dont care- We are ALL entitled to our opinions- but
so very few of you really know me that I cant see how you can make
judgements on me or place labels. Do you turn against everyone in your
life when they do something you disagree with or disapprove of their
actions? If that is the case, I feel sorry for you.
BTW Michelle- I did thank you that night- perhaps you didnt hear me..
you were scooping up your son to leave- I didnt realize you had paid for
anything before then. And if I were that troubled, I wouldve done a lot
more than I did! Laurie
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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:01:00 -0700
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At 8:20 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
>I hope he doesnt
>hear of all the backstabbing and bitchiness that goes on here
How about we send him a copy of your Springfield message, along with some
examples of "backstabbing and bitchiness"? And we can cc Kathryn while
were at it. ;)
Perhaps we could all use some self-reflection, but based on the
overwhelming amount of negative feedback you are getting on this list I'd
say perhaps you might want to rethink your smugness about this issue. But
then I guess you don't care what we think. And that's OK.
And to make this semi semi semi semi on topic, I saw a couple of Mandy's
costars tonight perform selections from Midsummer's Night Dream with the LA
Philharmonic at a gala season opening. Thomas Gibson (Lysander) and Peter
MacNicol (Puck) were both terrific. Brent Spiner from Star Trek The Next
Generation almost stole the show though (as Nick Bottom/Pyramus). (Also
great were David Ogden Stiers, Alfre Woodard and the "slightly pregnant"
Rosalind Chao. Rosie Perez doing Shakespeare ..... well, that was , er,
interesting.)
phantm
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Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
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In the words of the Biscuit, "I'm troubled by this..."
Renee
--- [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/9/99 9:20:30 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << another chance the following
> night...Ladies, hate me forever, but I touched
> mister man that next
> night! I was feeling his lower back, just slid my
> hand around, seen my
> chance and took it! 'More then adequate' indeed! He
> was 'obviously'
> enjoying the caresses, if you know what I
> mean....Well, he *DID* say we
> could touch him wherever we wanted! If he h >>
>
> Please tell me this is a joke? A tacky and classless
> joke? If its NOT a joke,
> PLEASE tell me you did NOT tell him your from this
> list ???
> KJ<~~~heading for the Advil double strength.
>
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I'm still working on it, but by tomorrow I'll have some screen caps on my
site of the last two CH eps. Ladies.... feel free to grope Mandy's
running shorts on your computer screens.
Sorry.... had to type it....
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Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Believe it or not...I wouldn't.
Renee
--- David Risen wrote:
> I don't believe for a minute any person man or woman
> who said something
> like touch me anywhere. Did not know what they were
> getting into. I was in
> that crowd he had more hands on his butt than I
> could count. And I don't
> believe for a minute all you ladies on the list
> wouldn't go for a butt grab
> if you had the chance.
> Karen R.
>
> ----------
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: MP: Fandom
> > Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 3:08 PM
> >
> > In a message dated 10/9/99 11:51:18 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > << nds on you. He gave a lot a ladies the thrill
> > of there lives I don't think it got out of hand
> and I was there and I am
> > sure he didn't think so either thats why he does
> it every night. >>
> >
> > Well, yes he wants you to touch him and its fun
> for him and he did ask..
> > HOWEVER... regarding the other post I am almost
> positive that he never
> > imagined anyone would be so vulgar as to touch him
> in such an intimate
> way.
> > If the shoe were on the other foot and a woman
> performer asked all the
> men to
> > come up and touch her and a man put his had where
> Laurie said she did,
> that
> > man could wind up in jail. Not only would it be
> weird but it would be
> > considered molestation ( oh how I hate to use that
> word , because of my
> shady
> > past : ) ) but you know what I mean.
> > KJ
>
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Subject: Re: One last word...
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:34:33 -0400
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On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 23:45:52 -0700 Laurie
writes:
>This is the last response I am giving to this
u said that b4
as it is getting really
>sickening
it really is. i m embarased that i used the word flesh to desribed mandy.
i dont no if mandy liked it or not but i will say this if he did i have
lost all respect 4 him.
and being blown way out of context. Why do you feel the
>need
>to keep rehashing the same thing over and over?
i only just joined like today lady and i read more mesages about this
from u then from anybody!!!! is sounds to me like u r the 1 who has to
rehash the same thing over and over.
Are your minds so
>small
>that they can only grasp and digest one subject at a time? I have
>seen
>this pattern before, so I know it is not the subject matter.
i think people use this pattern for a reason. i think grabbing someones
thing in public is just as much like rape as anything even if he liked
it. if someone grabbed me there i don't care how cute i would have his
ass arrested on the spot. even if it was mandy!!
But Im sure Mandy either didnt mind or didnt give it a
>second
>thought- so I really dont understand why you people dont do the same.
but how do u no??did u ask him? did he tell u??? r u just guessing
because u want him to of liked it? or do u no 4 sure?
> If that is the case, I feel sorry for you.
well hony i dont feel sorry 4 u . i just think u r a raunchy lonley slut
. but that is just based on what i no of u which is what u have said on
the list & waht u seem 2 think is aceptable in life. may be u r a nice
preson but u r a gross skanky ho when it comes to grabbing someones
privates & totally bragging it up. some guy braged about killing his
daughter on a mailng list and guess what he is in prison 4 life may b
even exacuted. even if he (mandy) loved it or asked u 4 it, its not
rite!!!!!! if so he is a skanky pig 2 & u 2 r made 4 each other. good
luck tell his wife, she deserves 2 no. if my boyfriend let some nasty
middle age lady stranger cop a feel i would castrate him on the spot. or
at least brake up with him & not even give him his ring back!!!! i just
asked him & he said if i did that he wuld kill the guy if he rubbed my
privats like that. i think he is joking but he has a temper & things
happen. i bet beating up would happen! n e way if i was mandys wife i
would devorce him and take him 4 all he is worth if he was pedaling his
flesh like that in concerts all the time.
well now i cant even stand to watch princess bride n e more just thinking
about this. yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kristal
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:03:16 EDT
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In a message dated 10/10/99 12:30:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: Nonsense
> Date: 10/10/99 12:30:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected]
> Sender: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 7:50:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> Im getting really tired of all this nonsense- maybe I should ask Dot to
> come back! LOL- Laurie
> >>
> Maybe you should just stop laughing.
Great idea,
Michelle
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:25:40 EDT
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In a message dated 10/10/99 12:46:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: One last word...
> Date: 10/10/99 12:46:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected] (Laurie)
> Sender: [email protected]
> Reply-to: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> This is the last response I am giving to this as it is getting really
> sickening and being blown way out of context. Why do you feel the need
> to keep rehashing the same thing over and over? Are your minds so small
> that they can only grasp and digest one subject at a time? I have seen
> this pattern before, so I know it is not the subject matter. Apparently
> in this group there is NO tolerance for different viewpoints, despite
> what I have been told in private emails. I cannot blame them for not
> wanting the wrath of the group upon them- not that I'll lose any sleep
> over it! But Im sure Mandy either didnt mind or didnt give it a second
> thought- so I really dont understand why you people dont do the same. I
> cannot understand these personal attacks, either. If you disapprove of
> what I did, I really dont care- We are ALL entitled to our opinions- but
> so very few of you really know me that I cant see how you can make
> judgements on me or place labels. Do you turn against everyone in your
> life when they do something you disagree with or disapprove of their
> actions? If that is the case, I feel sorry for you.
> BTW Michelle- I did thank you that night- perhaps you didnt hear me..
> you were scooping up your son to leave- I didnt realize you had paid for
> anything before then. And if I were that troubled, I wouldve done a lot
> more than I did! Laurie
Our minds aren't small and we didn't start this discussion. Apparently most
of us know where to draw the line between reality and fantasy, as well as
politness and crude behavior, You, however don't. I think it is appallinh
how you've managed to convince yourself that Mandy Patinkin didn't care. He
is a gentleman with a performance going on and you tried to become the focal
point of attention by placing your hands where they should not have been.
Keep telling yourself that he didn't mind and you actually may convince
yourself that you actions were completely appropriate. Many perfomers of
lesser stature might have had security
drag you off stage and throw you outside.
You tried to compare this to Dot's mistakes, but you have proven yourself in
a league all by yourself. And as evidenced by the list's responses to Dot's
errors, this is not the first time people have responded negatively towards
someone who has done something so crude. Most people who are so totally self
absorbed in their fantasy world, they fail to recognize right from wrong.
This is clearly the slump you have fallen into now.
BTW Laurie et al..it's not for the lack of a thank you that disturbed me, but
the culmination of all the backstabbing gossip that followed the concert..It
kind of all adds up to push one's tolerance level to zero.
Michelle
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:27:36 EDT
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In a message dated 10/10/99 1:00:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
> Date: 10/10/99 1:00:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected] ([email protected])
> Sender: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> At 8:20 PM -0700 10/9/99, Laurie wrote:
> >I hope he doesnt
> >hear of all the backstabbing and bitchiness that goes on here
>
> How about we send him a copy of your Springfield message, along with some
> examples of "backstabbing and bitchiness"? And we can cc Kathryn while
> were at it. ;)
>
> Perhaps we could all use some self-reflection, but based on the
> overwhelming amount of negative feedback you are getting on this list I'd
> say perhaps you might want to rethink your smugness about this issue. But
> then I guess you don't care what we think. And that's OK.
I totally agree,
Michelle
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Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:09:39 -0500
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At 05:22 PM 10/9/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>Mandy has done this number for years. It is a big group participation number
>and most people who come on stage dont even come into contact with him, so I
>doubt he expects a tremendous amount of physical contact. The number is a
>joke!! He does it to get the audience involved and makes several comments
>which are designed to be jokes--bring your gifts now, you have mortgaged your
>homes to come her, etc....its meant to be in fun. I dont think it should lead
>to a change of opinion of him for doing this number.
For the record, I've been to a number of concerts in which he performed
this, and in none of them has he solicited people to come up and touch him.
At the ones I've seen, he's "manufactured" a standing O, inciting the
audience to stomp and clap, and to *approach* the stage - i.e. stand up
front in the aisles, not storm the actual stage. This come-up-and-touch-me
thing is a new one on me!
DR <-- wouldn't have done it back then either
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:35:19 EDT
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In a message dated 10/9/99 11:58:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: RE Rethinking
> Date: 10/9/99 11:58:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected]
> Sender: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> In a message dated 10/9/99 4:09:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> Like none of you would want to if you were given the chance!(LOL)
> Ive read some pretty raunchy things on here... Laurie
> >>
> If you cant see by the flavor of all these negative posts about your
actions
>
> that WE WOULD NOT DO THE SAME THING GIVEN THE CHANCE..... I have one
> suggestion for you ..... can you say "Medication " ?
> Read, digest and think for moment what people are saying to you.
> KJ
ROFLOLO....
Michelle
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:36:18 EDT
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In a message dated 10/10/99 12:12:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
> Date: 10/10/99 12:12:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected] (Diane Rosenfeldt)
> Sender: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> Re: the "Mandy Liked It" defense:
>
> I ask myself two things:
>
> 1. If I were onstage and invited people up to touch me "anywhere they
> wanted" would I in my wildest dreams imagine that they'd go for my
privates?
> Um, no.
>
> 2. Would I "really like it" if a crowd of gorgeous men whom I knew and
> adored were to fondle my boobs, my crotch, my butt in public? Um, no again,
> much less a bunch of not-so-glamorous strangers.
>
> Sorry, you fun-loving gropers and potential gropers, please count one more
> on the list of those who think this was inappropriate, disrespectful and
> sorta sad.
>
> DR
I am in 100% agreement,
Michelle
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:22:21 -0500
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Rene sent this just to me by mistake and asked me to forward it:
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To: Diane Rosenfeldt
From: [email protected] (Rene Klein)
Subject: Re: Fandom or whatever nonsense this is now called
Dinny said >>>>Re: the "Mandy Liked It" defense:
>
>I ask myself two things:
>
>1. If I were onstage and invited people up to touch me "anywhere they
>wanted" would I in my wildest dreams imagine that they'd go for my privates?
>Um, no.
>
>2. Would I "really like it" if a crowd of gorgeous men whom I knew and
>adored were to fondle my boobs, my crotch, my butt in public? Um, no again,
>much less a bunch of not-so-glamorous strangers.
>
>Sorry, you fun-loving gropers and potential gropers, please count one more
>on the list of those who think this was inappropriate, disrespectful and
>sorta sad.
>
>DR
I agree completely with you, and with KJ, and with Tanja and others who
have said Laurie crossed the line. I came home from visiting my son and
his fiance at college to more messages than I've gotten at one time in
years. I began reading my messages with the Springfield one (having
figured out that that was the one that started all the action). I was
shocked and appalled that anyone would sink to the level of what Laurie
did. In my wildest fantasies, in the farthest reaches and wildest depths of
my imagination, I would not even think of doing something like that.
Laurie asked how can anyone compare her actions to rape, I think the rape
comparison had to do with the Mandy asked for it and the Mandy liked it
defense anyway, rather than the act in question.
However you describe her actions, they sure weren't appropriate public
adult behavior in my opinion. Am I being judgemental, you bet your boots I
am, and personally I think we have more right to be judgemental than Laurie
had to touch Mandy's private parts.
Rene (tries to be tolerant of people and their behavior, but some things
don't deserve my tolerance)
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At 11:45 PM 10/9/99 -0700, Laurie wrote:
>I know it is not the subject matter
It sure as shit is!
>. Apparently in this group there is NO tolerance for different viewpoints
Oh please please please please please. This argument is so tired. We are a
huge bundle of different opinions which have been suitably discussed and
rediscussed. What lowers the tolerance level is the perception that even in
the face of much censure you seem to totally NOT GET that your casual grope
was not only not acceptable behavior toward ANYONE in public, but that it
was deeply disrespectful to a person we ALL (evidenced by our presence on
this list) love and admire. The "admire" part of it is what rules here.
Sure, he's sexy as hell, and a babe, and all that, but that's not why we
*admire* him. We also know he's a better than average human being, a
devoted family man, someone who cares about the world and tries to make it
better however he can. To have copped a feel the way you did reduces him to
the status of sex object, which diminishes him and you as well, since
obviously you don't think of him as just a bod.
I am proud to have been a member of the very first group of "internet babes"
(several of whom are on this list) to have met with Mandy after one of his
first post-CH concerts. That evening he made a bunch of lifelong fans by
displaying all the endearing qualities that we all now know so well. In turn
I feel strongly that *we*, by behaving in a rational, classy and
non-invasive way, set the precedent for his future encounters with fans,
particularly internet fans, so when someone he knows to be on this list
crosses the line I feel a little soiled by association.
True, his invitation may have been provocative, but think of this: He sees
a bunch of people down front whom he recognizes as familiar or semi-familiar
fans. There's a certain element of trust involved here. He "knows" he's
safe with these people. He knows they're too classy to resort to
out-of-line behavior....well, so much for that now!
>Mandy either didnt mind or didnt give it a second thought
Don't you see there's a vast difference between "he liked it" and "he didn't
mind"? Whether or not he gave it a second thought - hell, he probably didn't!
>We are ALL entitled to our opinions-
Yes, we are, but we are not ENTITLED to act on them if it's harmful to
another person, whether it be Mandy or the collective reputation of all his
fans.
DR
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I think there have been enough attacks on Laurie now she may be an over
zealous fan as you say but she had no disrespect intended. She was a women
caught up in the moment she knows it was crazy and she can't believe she
did it either. Even in the craziness she thought she could share this with
the list of friends she knew you would all give her hell. But I believed
you she didn't know a trial and judgement would follow. I know you all have
the right to your opinion they are like assholes every body has one but
people who sit around and pass judgments on others actions really upsets
me. Most of you don't know Laurie and none of you were there. Fine if you
want to state your opinion but leave it there and end it we are adults and
you have beat this dead horse enough. It's over let it rest I am sorry it
upset you all so much but it is over let it go.
Karen R
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> From: Diane Rosenfeldt
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fanaticdom
> Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:09 AM
>
> At 05:22 PM 10/9/99 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
> >Mandy has done this number for years. It is a big group participation
number
> >and most people who come on stage dont even come into contact with him,
so I
> >doubt he expects a tremendous amount of physical contact. The number is
a
> >joke!! He does it to get the audience involved and makes several
comments
> >which are designed to be jokes--bring your gifts now, you have mortgaged
your
> >homes to come her, etc....its meant to be in fun. I dont think it should
lead
> >to a change of opinion of him for doing this number.
>
> For the record, I've been to a number of concerts in which he performed
> this, and in none of them has he solicited people to come up and touch
him.
> At the ones I've seen, he's "manufactured" a standing O, inciting the
> audience to stomp and clap, and to *approach* the stage - i.e. stand up
> front in the aisles, not storm the actual stage. This
come-up-and-touch-me
> thing is a new one on me!
>
> DR <-- wouldn't have done it back then either
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In a message dated 10/10/99 7:45:22 AM, [email protected] writes:
<< She was a women
caught up in the moment she knows it was crazy and she can't believe she
did it either. Even in the craziness she thought she could share this with
the list of friends she knew you would all give her hell.>>
If she showed ANY type of remorse or disdain for her actions, we might
believe her..laffing and protesting do NOT cut it!!!!!! And I grew up..(opera
tive words again) .with a MIDWEST philosophy!!
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In a message dated 10/10/1999 9:09:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
For the record, I've been to a number of concerts in which he performed
this, and in none of them has he solicited people to come up and touch him.
At the ones I've seen, he's "manufactured" a standing O, inciting the
audience to stomp and clap, and to *approach* the stage - i.e. stand up
front in the aisles, not storm the actual stage. This come-up-and-touch-me
thing is a new one on me!
DR <-- wouldn't have done it back then either
>>
Actually, he started doing this number back when he was still doing the show
at the Public Theatre and it included wild audience response. The come on
stage thing apparently was part of a particular audience reaction, and he
liked it so he incorporated it in to the act. He has done the "come on stage,
bring me gifts, I know you mortgaged your homes to come here" bit (obviously
a joke) all over the country when he did this number before.
Guess you just missed it in the shows you saw---not that you missed that
much!!
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In a message dated 10/10/1999 11:40:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Guess you just missed it in the shows you saw---not that you missed that
much!!
>>
Ok--that made no sense--I meant--guess he didnt do it in the shows you saw.
---C
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I seen this in the Mpls paper- nothing new, really but its nice to see
any write-ups- here goes-
'Hope Changes'
Some of the faces are new,others have stayed, and one is back after a
long abscence. Extensive surgery has been performed on 'Chicago Hope'
but whether it survives remains to be seen. Big changes were mandated by
CBS if the medical drama was to have a sixth year, and creator/producer
David E. Kelley agreed to make them. That saw most cast regulars exit in
last season's final episode, since their characters were fired in one
fell swoop by returnee Dr. Jeffrey Geiger (Mandy Patinkin). Goodbye
Christine Lahti and Eric Stolz. Hello Barbara Hershey. So Long, Vondie
Curtis-Hall and Stacy Edwards. Welcome Lauren Holly. Farewell Jayne
Brook and Peter Berg. Come on in, Carla Gugino. The 3 actresses who have
just joined the show play doctors of differing specialties. Hershey's
Francesca Alberghetti is a thoracic surgeon, Holly's Jeremy Hanlom is a
plastic surgeon, and Gugino's Gina Simon is an expert in neurosurgery
and pediatrics. 'Chicago Hope' was in trouble, said Kelley, who wrote
the last two scripts that bridged last season and this one. 'we met with
CBS and pretty much agreed that in order for it to come back, it really
would have to be reborn'. Kelley concedes that trying to infuse a show
with new life in its sixth season is an uphill battle, especially with
'Chicago Hope' now pitted against NBC's high-rated Thursday lineup.
'We're not kidding ourselves that its anything but tougher than tough',
he said. 'But I think the medical arena remains a viable and exciting
one for a storyteller'. Laurie
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Does anyone know what this upcoming episode of CH is about? My VCR cut
off before the previews were to be shown, if indeed they were. The local
TV Guide has no description either. Thanks, Laurie
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At 11:21 AM -0700 10/10/99, Laurie wrote:
>Does anyone know what this upcoming episode of CH is about? My VCR cut
>off before the previews were to be shown, if indeed they were. The local
>TV Guide has no description either. Thanks, Laurie
Nice deflection....
Chicago Hope - Vigilance and Care
> Type:
> Network Series / Drama
> Duration:
> 1 hr
> Description:
> When a high-school baseball team's star pitcher is injured, Dr.
>McNeil (Mark
> Harmon) goes to heroic lengths to save the boy's arm. (In Stereo)
>
>
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Unsub Patinkin
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There was a cover story ( the one Laurie quoted) in
the TV Booklet of our local newspaper, with a picture
of Geiger and Shutt on the cover. The last paragraph
said he was signed *for most* but *not all* of the
episodes. Seven out of thirteen doesn't constitute
most in my mind, so does anyone have better info?
(hopefully from the source)
Renee
--- "[email protected]"
wrote:
> At 11:21 AM -0700 10/10/99, Laurie wrote:
> >Does anyone know what this upcoming episode of CH
> is about? My VCR cut
> >off before the previews were to be shown, if indeed
> they were. The local
> >TV Guide has no description either. Thanks, Laurie
>
> Nice deflection....
>
>
> Chicago Hope - Vigilance and Care
> > Type:
> > Network Series / Drama
> > Duration:
> > 1 hr
> > Description:
> > When a high-school baseball team's star
> pitcher is injured, Dr.
> >McNeil (Mark
> > Harmon) goes to heroic lengths to save the
> boy's arm. (In Stereo)
> >
> >
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In a message dated 10/10/99 10:23:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: One last word...
> Date: 10/10/99 10:23:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected] (Diane Rosenfeldt)
> Sender: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> At 11:45 PM 10/9/99 -0700, Laurie wrote:
>
> >I know it is not the subject matter
>
> It sure as shit is!
>
> >. Apparently in this group there is NO tolerance for different viewpoints
>
> Oh please please please please please. This argument is so tired. We are a
> huge bundle of different opinions which have been suitably discussed and
> rediscussed. What lowers the tolerance level is the perception that even
in
> the face of much censure you seem to totally NOT GET that your casual grope
> was not only not acceptable behavior toward ANYONE in public, but that it
> was deeply disrespectful to a person we ALL (evidenced by our presence on
> this list) love and admire. The "admire" part of it is what rules here.
> Sure, he's sexy as hell, and a babe, and all that, but that's not why we
> *admire* him. We also know he's a better than average human being, a
> devoted family man, someone who cares about the world and tries to make it
> better however he can. To have copped a feel the way you did reduces him
to
> the status of sex object, which diminishes him and you as well, since
> obviously you don't think of him as just a bod.
>
> I am proud to have been a member of the very first group of "internet
babes"
> (several of whom are on this list) to have met with Mandy after one of his
> first post-CH concerts. That evening he made a bunch of lifelong fans by
> displaying all the endearing qualities that we all now know so well. In
turn
> I feel strongly that *we*, by behaving in a rational, classy and
> non-invasive way, set the precedent for his future encounters with fans,
> particularly internet fans, so when someone he knows to be on this list
> crosses the line I feel a little soiled by association.
>
> True, his invitation may have been provocative, but think of this: He sees
> a bunch of people down front whom he recognizes as familiar or
semi-familiar
> fans. There's a certain element of trust involved here. He "knows" he's
> safe with these people. He knows they're too classy to resort to
> out-of-line behavior....well, so much for that now!
>
> >Mandy either didnt mind or didnt give it a second thought
>
> Don't you see there's a vast difference between "he liked it" and "he
didn't
> mind"? Whether or not he gave it a second thought - hell, he probably
didn't!
>
>
> >We are ALL entitled to our opinions-
>
> Yes, we are, but we are not ENTITLED to act on them if it's harmful to
> another person, whether it be Mandy or the collective reputation of all his
> fans.
>
> DR
>
GREAT POST
Michelle<-------applauding wildly
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In a message dated 10/10/1999 1:38:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Unsub Patinkin
>>
sorry you hit a bad patch---the list usually has more Mandy info and less
nonsense on it
--C
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HELP!! I went to NYC for a few days leaving no less than 3 notes for my =
babysitter to tape last week's episode, but, not being a diehard Mandy =
fan, she forgot. Can anyone provide me with a tape of the =
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This truly is the last thing I will say about this matter- I do
apologize for upsetting or offending anyone. It was never my intention
to do so. I got caught up in the excitement of the moment and meant no
harm. Those of you who persist in persuing this, please give other list
members a break and think twice before restating your positions over and
over. Im sure everyone is sick of having their email boxes flooded. I
hope the people on this list I consider to be friends will continue to
think of me as one also. Thank you for your time, Laurie
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Subject: Galveston concert
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ok ya'll, we're back from our trip to Galveston, and the MP concert. we
went to the saturday nite performance. the theater is a restored
building, small but very pretty. Mandy sang for about 2 and a half hrs.
and as usual very, very good. there was a mystery lady up in the balcony
box seat stage left, we were wondering if it may have been his wife
Katherine. he waved and occasionally sang up to her. we were wondering
if anyone else noticed this besides ourselves. she disappeared after he
sang the second encore. was anybody else there from texas on mailing
list. maybe next time we could all get together and meet before or after
the concert. Ken & Molly Smith
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At 09:43 AM 10/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Chicago Hope - Vigilance and Care
>> Type:
>> Network Series / Drama
>> Duration:
>> 1 hr
>> Description:
>> When a high-school baseball team's star pitcher is injured, Dr.
>>McNeil (Mark
>> Harmon) goes to heroic lengths to save the boy's arm. (In Stereo)
>>
Is this a Mandy episode, does anyone know?
Brenda
Brenda W. Clough, author of HOW LIKE A GOD from Tor Books.
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Everything that I've read said the first five episodes
for sure, then two more out of the 13 episodes. But
just today I read that he was supposed to be in most
but not all episodes. Of course, if he went down the
hall and said "Hi..." that could be considered *in* an
episode to some people.
Renee
--- Brenda and Larry Clough wrote:
> At 09:43 AM 10/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >Chicago Hope - Vigilance and Care
> >> Type:
> >> Network Series / Drama
> >> Duration:
> >> 1 hr
> >> Description:
> >> When a high-school baseball team's star
> pitcher is injured, Dr.
> >>McNeil (Mark
> >> Harmon) goes to heroic lengths to save
> the boy's arm. (In Stereo)
> >>
>
> Is this a Mandy episode, does anyone know?
>
> Brenda
> Brenda W. Clough, author of HOW LIKE A GOD from Tor
> Books.
> http://www.sff.net/people/Brenda
>
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I can only hope that the Patinkin family does not read this list. Two
impressionable
teenage sons and Kathryn what would they think? I have found the last few
days of comments about the Springfield concert repugnant. All of us
participate in this list because we love Mandy.We travel hundreds of miles
for his concerts, count the days and the hours till he is on TV, and on and
on. It is clear to me that you overstepped your bounds and IMO disgraced
this list. This is my feelings and felt the need to ex-
press them.
Karen
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Brenda and Larry Clough wrote:
>
> At 09:43 AM 10/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >Chicago Hope - Vigilance and Care
> >> Type:
> >> Network Series / Drama
> >> Duration:
> >> 1 hr
> >> Description:
> >> When a high-school baseball team's star pitcher is injured, Dr.
> >>McNeil (Mark
> >> Harmon) goes to heroic lengths to save the boy's arm. (In Stereo)
> >>
>
> Is this a Mandy episode, does anyone know?
>
> Brenda
>
Yes, it is- set that VCR! Laurie
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I would be very surprised if someone in the family
(remember he has a big extended family with his sister
and all the steps)didn't read this list. I would also
be surprised if a phone call wasn't made, if for no
other reason than to ask him to be careful. I think we
need to remember that to his family he is probably not
a big deal, so some of these posts can seem especially
strange.
Renee
--- [email protected] wrote:
> I can only hope that the Patinkin family does not
> read this list. Two
> impressionable
> teenage sons and Kathryn what would they think? I
> have found the last few
> days of comments about the Springfield concert
> repugnant. All of us
> participate in this list because we love Mandy.We
> travel hundreds of miles
> for his concerts, count the days and the hours till
> he is on TV, and on and
> on. It is clear to me that you overstepped your
> bounds and IMO disgraced
> this list. This is my feelings and felt the need to
> ex-
> press them.
> Karen
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Thanks for the concert report!!
--C
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Lauren Holly mentioned Mandy Patinkin on Access Hollywood this weekend,
commenting words to the effect that "he's been here a while and I swear he
could do real surgery at this point."
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From: Laurie
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 11:33 AM
Subject: Springfield Wildness- Long
>Hi All,
>Ive had a chance to rest a bit (and stand up for a while!) so I wanted
>to post my report. I am just combining the highlights from both nights,
>and Im sure Karen will fill in anything Ive forgotten. Several people
>have asked me about the underwear, so I'll begin with that. The first
>night when Mandy sang 'Coffee' we rushed the stage and having 2nd row
>tickets- for both nights- we were able to get up there right away. Karen
>was behind him on one side and I was on the other, lots of women behind
>us- we didnt BUDGE! and we began caressing his back and chest and
>reached down and felt his nice, tight ass! I got in a good butt cup feel
>and couldnt feel any elastic band around his thigh and later asked Karen
>if she did- she said no. So the next night we did the same thing (twice
>is more fun!)and after swooning over the possibility of him not wearing
>any, we decided to ask. Karen's friend Susan was elected to ask the
>question of boxers or briefs (I knew if he said 'nothing' I'd faint..)
>He looked rather suprised, smiled and laughed and then told us. We got a
>great shot of him laughing about it. (I will put up many of the pics on
>my page as soon as I can.) Also while we were on stage the first night,
>as I was stroking his back I slid my hand around his side, past his
>hipbone and got about 2 inches from mister man...then chickened out.
>That night at the bar both Karen and Susan heard me whine 'I was THIS
>CLOSE!' and Karen reminded me I had another chance the following
>night...Ladies, hate me forever, but I touched mister man that next
>night! I was feeling his lower back, just slid my hand around, seen my
>chance and took it! 'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'
>enjoying the caresses, if you know what I mean....Well, he *DID* say we
>could touch him wherever we wanted! If he had wanted me to stop, he
>couldve just put his hand on my arm...whatta night! I also got to play
>with the little tuft of hair on the back of his neck, near his shoulder
>blades as he was singing..so soft... the concerts were fantastic- he did
>many songs from the upcoming Kidults to several numbers from Oscar and
>Steve and some from his first CD, too. Lin, you missed 'Rockabye' again!
>Also sang 'Oh, what a circus' from Evita. Joked a lot with the audience,
>giving this guy in the front row a hard time.. when it was time to give
>him his gifts during the 'coffee' number a VERY pregnant lady told him
>that she refused to give birth until after she seen his show, he laughed
>and said that he'd deliver it right then! He laid her down on the stage,
>lifted her tunic shirt up a bit and said 'no, not coming yet'. Helped
>her to her feet then asked if that was water on the floor! One very
>lucky lady gave him an Altoid mint and he gave her a long, hard kiss on
>the mouth! Lips closed-it looked like. Bent her backwards a bit. Karen
>had given him a Lionel mug, which he really liked. I handed him my
>Geiger business card, and he laughed and handed it to this same guy up
>front and said 'now he'll know how to get hold of me' You better believe
>I got that back after the show! I had Mandy sign it, too. Another woman
>had no gift for him, so she took off her one shoe and he thanked her and
>kept it. She had him sign it that night, after the show...we went back
>to have him sign a few things and got some great pics the first night,
>going thru line twice! I had stepped aside and got nearly a full role of
>film each night. I told him I came from Mpls, by bus, and he seemed
>touched by that..said that the family was coming here to check out the U
>for Isaac! I had stolen his towel after the first show and asked him to
>put a little 'extra' Mandy sweat on it for me, which he smiled and did.
>I got his water bottle for Karen. During the second show, Karen had
>handed me some tic tacs and just as I was putting a couple in my mouth,
>Mandy said 'what are you eating over there?' I pointed to Karen (who had
>STOLEN my aisle seat that night- the BITCH!) and said 'she gave them to
>me' he answered 'I dont care, you bring it up and give it to me' so I
>handed it to him. He asked what they were and gave it to the guy in the
>first row that he was giving a hard time to. He was fabulous both
>nights, but seemed more relaxed the 2nd evening. By the second night he
>called me by my name :) I had dropped something and was putting it in my
>purse while we were taking pictures and Karen and Susan went up for a
>shot with Mandy and both Karen and Mandy called out 'Come on over here,
>Laurie' so I was able to get in the group shot also. We both gave him a
>gift the second night- Karen had given him another darling mug and I had
>a 'mermaid and fish' Lionel train piece that moved back and forth as
>though they were swimming for him. After the crowd left on the second
>night I asked Mandy if he would give me the biggest thrill of my life
>and let me touch his chest hair... he smiled and said 'My chest hair?
>Sure..' and pulled his Tee way down...I played and played with it...so
>thick, and curly and soft..... I looked up a couple of times and he was
>smiling down at me...Karen and Susan came over and we got another group
>shot-with me still touching him. We said goodbye finally and he started
>to walk away and stopped and said 'that was the wildest request Ive ever
>had from a fan- I'll remember you always, Laurie' then smiled and left.
>It was so much fun! Karen and Susan are two of the greatest ladies to
>party with! We had the people sitting around us just cracking up...hope
>you all have as much fun at your next concert as we did... Laurie
>
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:54:07 -0400
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From: Laurie
>night...Ladies, hate me forever, but I touched mister man that next
>night!
Hate you forever? I think that won't be a problem, but not for the reason
you're thinking. :)
>I was feeling his lower back, just slid my hand around, seen
>my chance and took it! 'More then adequate' indeed! He was 'obviously'
>enjoying the caresses, if you know what I mean....
" 'Obviously' enjoying" it, huh? So you're saying you gave him an
erection right there on stage? That's not even legal, you know. Public
indecency. You can't even do that to a paid stripper.
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Section 2907.09
General
Assembly: 121.
Bill Number: Amended
Sub. S.B. 2
Effective
Date: 07/01/96
(A) No person shall recklessly do any of the following, under
circumstances in which his or her conduct is likely to be viewed by and
affront others, not members of his or her household:
(1) Expose his or her private parts, or engage in masturbation;
(2) Engage in sexual conduct;
(3) Engage in conduct that to an ordinary observer would appear to be
sexual conduct or masturbation.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of public indecency. Except
as otherwise provided in this division, public indecency is a misdemeanor
of the fourth degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or
pleaded guilty to one violation of this section, public indecency is a
misdemeanor of the third degree. If the offender previously has been
convicted of or pleaded guilty to two violations of this section, public
indecency is a misdemeanor of the second degree. If the offender
previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to three or more
violations of this section, public indecency is a misdemeanor of the
first degree.
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That's for Ohio.....What state was this concert in?
Jen <--- I'm baaaaack
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Subject: Re: Springfield groping
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:45:10 EDT
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does anyone find the title of this email very amusing?
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stop putting them down. if they enjoyed doing it, let them. stop trying to
make them out like they're horrible people! if you chose not to do it, that's
fine. i hate when people tell other people what to do. it's just not right.
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In a message dated 10/9/1999 4:14:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< > DMNY, trying to be helpful >>
But not being very. More like being a hateful person who wants to harm others
by nasty comments.
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In a message dated 10/9/1999 5:31:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Someone
does something you don't agree with so you smash their toys? Grow the heck
up.>>
AMEN!!!!
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In a message dated 10/9/1999 9:45:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< >>
Maybe you should just stop laughing. >>
MAYBE IT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR HER TO DEAL WITH YOU HATEFUL VISCIOUS PEOPLE
WITHOUT HER CRYING HER HEAD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SURPRISED SHE'S EVEN STILL ON
THE LIST. I'M SURE THINKING OF LEAVING AFTER YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE ME SICK
FROM LISTENING TO YOU BEAT HER UP WITH WORDS. YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN HER AND
STOP THINKING YOU'RE ALL GOD. YOU'RE NOT!!!
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:20:03 -0700
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At 12:50 AM -0400 10/11/99, wrote:
>stop putting them down. if they enjoyed doing it, let them. stop trying to
>make them out like they're horrible people! if you chose not to do it, that's
>fine. i hate when people tell other people what to do. it's just not right.
And would you say that if someone enjoyed raping another person that we
should let them do that too without speaking out against it? I know what
Laurie did is not tantamount to rape--but it is not that far from it
either!!! She bragged about stroking the man's penis through his pants.
Laurie may not be a horrible person, but she claims to have done something
which most of us think is a horrible act. She even claims to have given
him an erection!!!
Quit sending me obnoxious private mail. Perhaps you and Laurie can get a
discount on a joint therapy session. I hear Aaron Shutt is available these
days...
phantm
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In a message dated 10/10/1999 8:56:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Holly's Jeremy Hanlom >>
why do all the plastic surgeons who are female have male names? Geri Infante,
Jeremy Hanlom. just wondering...
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Just wanted to comment on the whole Barbie thing....
yes do not go overboard but plastic surgery rocks!
Deb, who had plastic surgery last December
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