From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mail digest
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 8:48:31 +0200 (METDST)
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Subject: Re: Springfield Wildness- Long
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:48:11 EDT
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In a message dated 10/10/99 8:55:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
<< That's for Ohio.....What state was this concert in?
Jen <--- I'm baaaaack
_ >>
for a minute I thot u had swallowed your tongue.........Jen, LOL.
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Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:31:18 EDT
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In a message dated 10/10/99 10:19:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Quit sending me obnoxious private mail. Perhaps you and Laurie can get a
discount on a joint therapy session. I hear Aaron Shutt is available these
days...
phantm >>
either that..or a BRAIN transplant..u know he is a BRAIN surgeon too!!!!!!
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In a message dated 10/10/99 10:16:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< O DEAL WITH YOU HATEFUL VISCIOUS PEOPLE
WITHOUT HER CRYING HER HEAD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SURPRISED SHE'S EVEN STILL
ON
THE LIST. I'M SURE THINKING OF LEAVING AFTER YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE ME SICK >>
Emmy I am not sure how old you are, but judging by your post I am going to
take a wild stab at your age... 12 ? If you are older or younger please
forgive my mistake but I will address you as your maturity level dictates.
First I ask you to read Jens post.. Then I would ask you to think about why
so many people found it rude and repulsive? Then ask your mother how she
would feel if you did this to a married man in public .... And next I would
like to join you in the question, " why is she still on this list ?" Maybe
you two could go and make your own list.. and * stroke * each others
nincompoop actions. Wouldn't we all be the happier?
KJ
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Subject: On to Mandys Birthday....
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:22:00 EDT
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Click here: Mandy's Birthday
Card
http://24.0.0.200/idealdds/patinkin/
Here is my birthday greeting to Mandy for the gift we are planning to give
him next month. If you are new to the list and would like to send him a
a birthday greeting please email me and I can send you all the info.
For all of you who have planned on it please email me as id love to get a
rough count on how many are going to participate .. out of 300 list members
it sure seems like we could send him a wonderful Birthday book.. and don't
you all think he deserves it after all he has been through : ) !!! But truly
he is such a sport to meet n greet with us , I encourage you to participate,
I just know he is going to be touched..... in a most appropriate way.
I have seen a few of the pages and hope to post them soon with the senders
permission of course, they are wonderful !!!!!!! Remember it would be nice to
have all the pages by the first or second week in November. As it will most
likely be given to him at the Scottsdale concert in mid November.
KJ
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Subject: Re: On to Mandys Birthday....
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:16:17 -0700
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Kathy Jo wrote:
> out of 300 list members
>it sure seems like we could send him a wonderful Birthday book..
>
I want to add my two cents to her post and encourage everyone who wants to
participate in putting this book together. Kathy Jo wanted to do this a
year ago but held off until now because we decided to do donations to the
Eye Bank last year instead.
I hope she doesn't mind if I expound upon her idea a bit as she and I have
had several conversations about it. The idea of the book this year is to
allow each participant to do whatever they want on their page. Similar to
the birthday greeting Char put together for Mandy two years ago. The
difference is that in addition to giving him a birthday greeting, you are
encouraged to find a way to tell him a little something about you or how
much you enjoy his work (so he has some kind of idea what great people his
fans are, if he doesn't know already) :-). Also to make a charitable
donation in honor of his birthday to whatever charity you want or to one of
the ones he favors.
As an example, Kathy Jo's page shows pictures of "her favorite Mandy moment"
which was, of course, when she "loved on him" in Orange County. And she
attached a copy of her driver's license and organ donor card, listed the
concerts she's seen him at, and her favorite Mandy songs. She will also
make note that a donation was made in his name at whatever charity she
picks.
Wendy's page (I hope you don't mind me telling this Wendy) is all about how
she uses Mandy's various videos and CD's in her classroom. She has included
several concert photos and has made note of the donation she is making in
his name. Hopefully her page will be posted online soon so you can see how
clever and terrific it is.
I wish I could tell you about my page but I'm staring at a pretty blank
sheet of paper right now! I plan to somehow incorporate my ticket stubs
into a part of the page and maybe mention to Mandy what wonderful friends
I've made thanks to him. And throw a picture of him and I on the page with
something goofy written in message bubbles above the picture. I doubt that
I will tell him anything personal about me other than my name. My own goal
is to try to be amusing, but that is not a requirement. Wendy's page is
serious but it is very kewl!
Once you have an idea, the page should be easy to put together. You can use
your computer, you can cut and paste onto a sheet of paper, it doesn't
matter. Each page will be placed into sheet protectors so it will look nice
and have some consistency from page to page. I just started my page today
and while I don't know exactly what it's going to look like when I'm
finished, I am having fun trying out different ideas and I think the page
will end up putting itself together.
As in the past two years, the idea for this is that we just want to wish him
a happy birthday in a simple and unassuming way that thanks him for his
incredible graciousness and generosity of time spent with us over the last
few years. And to give him something that he will appreciate (maybe for 5
minutes, maybe forever) that he won't feel obligated to respond to. In my
observation, he seems to really like the homemade gifts he gets. And if
each participant makes a charitable donation in his honor (it doesn't matter
how much or how little because you wouldn't list the amount anyway), I think
that would really touch him.
Again, I hope a lot of you decide to participate. I know trying to think up
something to put on a page can be daunting but I also think you can have a
lot of fun with it. It doesn't have to be really creative or clever; just
heartfelt. (Let's remember that this is going to a man whose creative idea
of designing cards or ties is to draw smiley faces all over everything!)
As far as telling him that this is from "The List" or from "Members of the
List" or from "Some of his Fans" or from whomever, that will depend chiefly
on the amount of participation. So please let Kathy Jo know now if you are
planning on or even thinking about participating so she can schedule her
time accordingly to get the book ready in time. And if anyone is stumped
for ideas, Kathy Jo says she will help you.
/ Joanne
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Subject: Clarence Thomas?
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 03:34:35 -0700
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Maybe I missed something here being new to the list
and walking in on the middle of a flame war, but can
someone please explain to me how anyone could construe
Laurie's actions being in any way related to those of
Clarence Thomas? I sure don't think Anita Hill said
"feel free to touch me anywhere you want" as Mandy did
at the Springfield concert. To me, saying something
that suggestive is definatly asking for trouble and
inviting groping. Maybe it was a tacky thing to do -
but it certainly was a very tacky thing of Mandy to say
as well! It seems like alot of folks are giving Laurie
a hard time over this - but ignoring the fact that he
made this lewd comment that started it in the first
place. Shouldn't he be equally responsible here, or is
this just a case of what's sauce for the goose isn't
sauce for the gander? In any case, give it a rest,
folks - and hopefully pass it along to Mandy that if
he doesn't want women touching him "anywhere you want"
then he ought to not encourage them to do so. Just my
opinion. Anna
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Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas?
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:09:21 +0100
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Uhm... feel a little stupid... but who is Clarence Thomas and Anita
Hill??
Bye, Nadine
Anna Moses schrieb:
>
> Maybe I missed something here being new to the list
> and walking in on the middle of a flame war, but can
> someone please explain to me how anyone could construe
> Laurie's actions being in any way related to those of
> Clarence Thomas? I sure don't think Anita Hill said
> "feel free to touch me anywhere you want" as Mandy did
> at the Springfield concert. To me, saying something
> that suggestive is definatly asking for trouble and
> inviting groping. Maybe it was a tacky thing to do -
> but it certainly was a very tacky thing of Mandy to say
> as well! It seems like alot of folks are giving Laurie
> a hard time over this - but ignoring the fact that he
> made this lewd comment that started it in the first
> place. Shouldn't he be equally responsible here, or is
> this just a case of what's sauce for the goose isn't
> sauce for the gander? In any case, give it a rest,
> folks - and hopefully pass it along to Mandy that if
> he doesn't want women touching him "anywhere you want"
> then he ought to not encourage them to do so. Just my
> opinion. Anna
>
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Subject: Re: Nonsense
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:05:59 EDT
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Your defense of someone who dares touch ANYONE on their private parts and
then procedes to brag about it with pride on the Internet is baseless.
Laurie did something that NO ONE should do to another person at ANY TIME OR
ANY PLACE...
If you have a problem with that then you need help.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/11/99 1:16:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Subj: Re: Nonsense
> Date: 10/11/99 1:16:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: [email protected]
> Sender: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> In a message dated 10/9/1999 9:45:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << >>
> Maybe you should just stop laughing. >>
> MAYBE IT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR HER TO DEAL WITH YOU HATEFUL VISCIOUS PEOPLE
> WITHOUT HER CRYING HER HEAD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SURPRISED SHE'S EVEN STILL
> ON
> THE LIST. I'M SURE THINKING OF LEAVING AFTER YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE ME SICK
> FROM LISTENING TO YOU BEAT HER UP WITH WORDS. YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN HER
AND
>
> STOP THINKING YOU'RE ALL GOD. YOU'RE NOT!!!
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Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:42:48 EDT
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your oversimplification of this issue.
You are right that people are entitled to their own opinion and that we can
agree to disagree on topics. But, this is much more complicated than that.
This has to do with someone who a) in her own words described what she did
and b) then said that none of us were there so we should not criticize. Then
c) justified her actions by saying that he didn't say anything and therefore
he enjoyed it (which is rather like saying that if a crime isn't reported, it
didn't take place). It also has to do with the definition of 'personal
violation' versus a difference of opinion.
Whatever happened (if it indeed happened as Laurie has stated it), it was out
of line...it has nothing to do with difference of opinion, it has to do with
simple respect (whether it was Mandy or some guy on the street)...you just
don't do this kind of thing. And, in my opinion (again, we are all entitled
to them), Laurie used the cover of concert confusion and the surrounding
large group of people, to do something that she NEVER would have had to nerve
to do one-on-one. It's like copping a quick feel on a New York Subway. And,
as someone who has had that done to me when I used to live in the city...it
is NOT a nice feeling. Just because the man didn't stop the show and make a
scene, doesn't mean that he wasn't appalled. And, just because he was
gentleman enough not to say anything later (if, in fact, he even knew it was
her) and didn't choose to start something in front of people who were waiting
to meet him and had NO idea what had happened...well, why am I even
bothering...you either GET this...or you DON'T get it.
Agree with her behavior or not, but don't pretend that it is as simple as a
difference of opinion. Women, especially, should understand what happened
here, since many women are the victims of this type of behavior. I just
don't get what the big mystery is. If your kid or your DOG did this to
someone else...you would upbraid them.
Well, I've had my say...as have many others. You either get it...or you
don't. All I can say is...when Laurie sees him next time, I hope she thinks
better of her actions and decides to be less crass.
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Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas?
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Anna, to put it simply...entertainers say a lot of things onstage (to get a
laugh, to be provocative). Just like a Vegas comedian lights into a heckler
(but doesn't really hate the guy)...Mandy was trying to get a laugh. If you
think for a minute that anyone (Mandy included) would make a public call for
an onstage orgy during a concert, think again. The man is SO focused when
he's working, anyway, that it would be a collosal distraction to have
something like that going on. He was KIDDING. And, I'm sure most of the
audience got it.
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Subject: Read this carefully
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:32:11 -0700
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I did NOT try and give the man a hand job onstage! You people sure are
experts on describing something you didnt even see! Im sure if Mandy
even noticed he attributed it to the actions of an admittedly
over-zealous fan and did not give it a second thought! This reminds me
so much of the old children's game where everyone adds a line to a story
and turns it into something else entirely. Im sorry phantm felt the need
to publish what was a private email sent to her..there was no call for
that. I hope people get more interested in their own lives and have less
time for beating dead horses like this one. Laurie
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Subject: Re: Read this carefully
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:45:54 EDT
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In a message dated 10/11/99 8:35:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I hope people get more interested in their own lives and have less
time for beating dead horses like this one. Laurie
>>
but YOU keep bringing it up and posting more.."ONE LAST TIME!!"
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:51:08 EDT
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Laurie, I don't mean to be unkind, but if you didn't expect comments or
opinions WHY did you post in the first place. You must have known that it
was provocative? I have read what you say you did and while I understand
fully that you were not engaging in sex onstage, I STILL think that it was
inappropriate. You obviously, do not.
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:53:25 EDT
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...anyone go to the Galveston shows and have something to report? If not,
I'll be forced to go back to watching re-runs of 'Touched by an Angel' to
wipe all of this recent smut out of my mind :)
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Subject: Re: On to Mandy's birthday
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:57:48 -0700
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Just wanted to put my two cents in and say I think this is a great idea!
Is 'everyone' truly welcome? I'd hate to think my card would not be
included because of some people's personal feelings. I would hope that
there would not be that kind of childness on something like this..Joanne
mentioned putting them in sheet protectors - should the cards all be of
a certain size, then? If Im not welcome, please at least be honest
enough to say so, so that I can give one to Mandy in Michigan. Laurie
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Laurie,
Just give it up. You have told us way too much, and it has caused an uproar
the scope of which I've rarely seen even in the most volatile news groups.
What you did onstage was your business and would have remained as such had
you not felt the need to brag to everyone else about it. Because you did see
fit to include 300 of your closest confidantes you can only expect to get
what you got. Whether or not you feel you "violated" him onstage, you
certainly did by bringing all the sordid details to this newsgroup. Do you
think HE wanted the world to know you couldn't keep your hands off "Mr.
Man"?
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From: Laurie
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:51 AM
Subject: Read this carefully
>I did NOT try and give the man a hand job onstage! You people sure are
>experts on describing something you didnt even see! Im sure if Mandy
>even noticed he attributed it to the actions of an admittedly
>over-zealous fan and did not give it a second thought! This reminds me
>so much of the old children's game where everyone adds a line to a story
>and turns it into something else entirely. Im sorry phantm felt the need
>to publish what was a private email sent to her..there was no call for
>that. I hope people get more interested in their own lives and have less
>time for beating dead horses like this one. Laurie
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>so that I can give one to Mandy in Michigan. Laurie
Dear God, she's seeing him again.
DR <-- who if I were Mandy would be laying in a supply of 10-foot poles
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At 10:32 AM -0700 10/11/99, Laurie wrote:
>Im sorry phantm felt the need
>to publish what was a private email sent to her.
And what, pray tell, piece of private mail are you referring to? As far as
I know, I've not published any private mail on the MP list.
You seem to like to beat things. Quit beating this dead horse and others
will follow suit.
phantm
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Subject: Fandom
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I'm a bit late jumping on this one, but I was away for the weekend and had
166 messages to sort through!
As to Laurie's report:
<>
I can't come up with a better word than DMNY - I'm appalled! And I second
KJ's comment:
<>
BTW, Laurie, as I do not believe your comment on KJ has been addressed: what
happened 2 years ago between KJ and Mandy was hilarious, and nothing
offensive happened. What you did offends me as a fan, and, as I imagine you
told him you were on the list, reflects upon us all.
What amazes me most is that you don't see the difference between a rub of the
chest or an arm around his waist and what you did. It was completely
inappropriate.
Knel wrote:
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This is an excellent observation and I concur.
I shall defend Laurie in this aspect. I have corresponded with her a great
deal over the past year and traded Mandy related items. From this
correspondence I believe her to be a very decent and honest person. Perhaps,
therefore, I should have written my reaction privately and not to the list,
but from reading her comments back to the list I do feel that she is not
distinguishing (As Phantm has pointed out) the difference between our
previous lust-fluff fantasies and the reality of grabbing the man on stage in
such a manner, so I felt it necessary to reinforce the concept publicly.
<>
Ok, sorry, but as I said, I was out of town. My lips are now sealed.
:-| Wendy
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In a message dated 10/11/99 9:12:28 AM, [email protected] writes:
<<>so that I can give one to Mandy in Michigan. Laurie
Dear God, she's seeing him again.
DR <-- who if I were Mandy would be laying in a supply of 10-foot poles
>>
and chainmail armor not to mention a cup.
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>>> 10/11/99 11:56AM >>>
>and chainmail armor not to mention a cup.
A giblet goblet? ;)
DR
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In a message dated 10/11/99 10:12:38 AM, [email protected] writes:
<>
LOL..not exactly what I had in hand--er--mind
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In a message dated 10/11/1999 6:38:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I sure don't think Anita Hill said
"feel free to touch me anywhere you want" as Mandy did
at the Springfield concert. To me, saying something
that suggestive is definatly asking for trouble and
inviting groping. Maybe it was a tacky thing to do -
but it certainly was a very tacky thing of Mandy to say
as well! >>
I have seen him do this number in concert and it is a throwaway comment at
best--he even laughs when he says it and so does the audience. It is not a
sincere invitation. The whole number is a joke.
---C
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Amen.
--- [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/11/99 8:35:29 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << I hope people get more interested in their own
> lives and have less
> time for beating dead horses like this one. Laurie
> >>
> but YOU keep bringing it up and posting more.."ONE
> LAST TIME!!"
>
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In a message dated 10/8/99 12:00:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< for all u Krispeekreme addicts..Jay leno supplied his audience with them
tonite>>
No kidding?? ROFL!!! I wonder who he sent to buy 'em?
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In a message dated 10/8/99 7:06:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< do they have a procedure for hands?? Check out Cher....proud of all her
plastic surgery.....but check out her *elbows*. Yikes!! With my friends, we
used to be able to tell a woman's age by her falling arse.....now ...since
the arses are propped up.....it's by her elbows. <<
Or hands, LOL ... I don't know about plastic surgery to make hands feel
younger, but there are hand surgeons out there -- that's their specialty,
hands.
I believe I've located the ultimate in
go-to-any-lengths-to-stay-young-looking insanity. Here in SoCal, there are
plastic surgeons whose primary specialty is nothing but ... are you ready? ...
Earlobes.
Just earlobes. All lobes, all the time.
Which, of course, reminds me of Geri Infante ;->
>> The weekly Geiger meltdown is already old to me. What an incredible waste.
<<
Ditto.
>> I thought the Tourette (sp) dr was fabulous....(did he use to be on
Benson?) <<
Yes, he was on Benson! Good eye ... I wondered if anyone else remembered!
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Where does she claim to give him an erection I was there and I missed that
one. I can't believe you are still on this subject if you are all so upset
by it why to you keep talking about it.
Karen R.
----------
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 1:20 AM
>
> At 12:50 AM -0400 10/11/99, wrote:
> >stop putting them down. if they enjoyed doing it, let them. stop trying
to
> >make them out like they're horrible people! if you chose not to do it,
that's
> >fine. i hate when people tell other people what to do. it's just not
right.
>
> And would you say that if someone enjoyed raping another person that we
> should let them do that too without speaking out against it? I know what
> Laurie did is not tantamount to rape--but it is not that far from it
> either!!! She bragged about stroking the man's penis through his pants.
> Laurie may not be a horrible person, but she claims to have done
something
> which most of us think is a horrible act. She even claims to have given
> him an erection!!!
>
> Quit sending me obnoxious private mail. Perhaps you and Laurie can get a
> discount on a joint therapy session. I hear Aaron Shutt is available
these
> days...
>
> phantm
> ############################################################
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> http://www.petermacnicol.net http://www.mandypatinkin.net
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At 05:47 PM 10/11/1999 -0400, David Risen wrote:
>Where does she claim to give him an erection I was there and I missed that
>one. I can't believe you are still on this subject if you are all so upset
>by it why to you keep talking about it.
>Karen R.
Perhaps because there are many people on this list and many of us find what
Laurie described to be reprehensible. And perhaps because you and Laurie
keep commenting on it as much or more than the rest of us.
If you want to keep discussing it... then I guess the subject won't die.
Go back and read Laurie's original post. I don't have it in front of me at
the moment. But she indicated that there was a response to her touch. She
didn't use the word erection, but she did imply it. (Not that what she
wrote about that is necessarily to be believed.)
phantm
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I don't know any of you ladies but I know that Laurie know lots of you. She
has never had a unkind word to say about any of you. I know how you feel
about the subject you have all made that very plain. You have been very
hateful to her in your postings and I hope you are all so perfect that no
one ever treats you like a dog because you had bad judgement for 30
seconds. We have all made mistakes in judgement some worse than others try
to remember that when bad mouthing others. Everything is not all black and
white and people right or wrong have feelings.This is the end for me I'm
tired of this.
Karen R
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> From: TDC
> To: David Risen ; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Clarence Thomas had nothin' on this broad!
> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 5:56 PM
>
> At 05:47 PM 10/11/1999 -0400, David Risen wrote:
> >Where does she claim to give him an erection I was there and I missed
that
> >one. I can't believe you are still on this subject if you are all so
upset
> >by it why to you keep talking about it.
> >Karen R.
>
>
> Perhaps because there are many people on this list and many of us find
what
> Laurie described to be reprehensible. And perhaps because you and Laurie
> keep commenting on it as much or more than the rest of us.
>
> If you want to keep discussing it... then I guess the subject won't die.
> Go back and read Laurie's original post. I don't have it in front of me
at
> the moment. But she indicated that there was a response to her touch.
She
> didn't use the word erection, but she did imply it. (Not that what she
> wrote about that is necessarily to be believed.)
>
> phantm
>
>
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:57:48 -0700 Laurie
writes:
>Joanne
>mentioned putting them in sheet protectors
Yes, Laurie, if you're going to send Mandy a sheet, for GOD'S sakes, use
a condom!
;-)
Jen
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:32:11 -0700 Laurie
writes:
>I did NOT try and give the man a hand job onstage!
Did we say you tried to jack him off? All we did was repeat what you had
said about him *"obviously"* enjoying it, if we know what you mean.
>You people sure
>are experts on describing something you didnt even see!
Describing? Naw, we're just commenting on things *you* said. Perhaps we
didn't "know what you mean"? Or do you mean something different now than
you once thought you meant?
>Im sure if Mandy
>even noticed he attributed it to the actions of an admittedly
>over-zealous fan and did not give it a second thought!
IF he even noticed..... If he even noticed something he was *Obviously*
enjoying...... ?
"If he had wanted me to stop, he couldve just put his hand on my arm,"
sort of seems to further imply you felt he *didn't* "want" you to stop.
No further questions.....
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:47:35 -0400 "David Risen"
writes:
>Where does she claim to give him an erection I was there and I missed
>that one.
She said, " He was 'obviously' enjoying the caresses, if you know what I
mean...."
She doesn't specifically said, "Then he got hard in my hand," but she
most certainly implies it.
>I can't believe you are still on this subject if you are all so
>upset
>by it why to you keep talking about it.
What, are you new?
Jen
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In a message dated 10/11/99 3:22:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< We have all made mistakes in judgement some worse than others try
to remember that when bad mouthing others. Everything is not all black and
white and people right or wrong have feelings.This is the end for me I'm
tired of this.
Karen R >>
yes that is true, karen. However, in the general sense of her "no remorse", I
think that is where the anger/ etc lies. No one here is/has professed to be
perfect nor do we think we are. And I myself do not think in "black and
white".there are most likely more liberal types on this list than many
others. Certain actions and topics DO cross the line though.
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:12:39 -0400 "David Risen"
writes:
>You have been very hateful to her in your postings
Hateful? I'd have to disagree. Judgemental, annoyed, grossed out,
repulsed, opinionated....yeah, those and several other things, I'm sure.
But not hateful. Nowhere do I recall anyone saying "I hate you for what
you did!"
"You sicken and repell me," sure, but "hate"? Nawww.
>and I hope you are all so perfect that
>no one ever treats you like a dog because you had bad judgement for 30
>seconds.
30 seconds?? How many seconds passed from the time she squeezed his
genitalia with her bare hand on a public concert stage until she bragged
about it and defended her actions on the list? More than 30, that's for
damn sure.
>We have all made mistakes in judgement some worse than others
>try to remember that when bad mouthing others.
The difference is, we don't brag about them publically, and then when we
realize what we did was not cool, backpedal and try to make it out to be
less than we said it was to begin with.
And we generally use punctuation. ;-)
>Everything is not all black
>and white and people right or wrong have feelings.
True. I feel that if I ever do anything this disgusting, PLEASE, you all
have my permission to be as hateful and opinionated as you feel the need
to be.
>This is the end for me I'm tired of this.
'Kay. If you change your mind, we're here for ya.
Jen <---thinks this is far more entertaining than baseball
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I am sorry - I know that this horse is not only dead, he should have
been buried a long time ago. But, (since I just read most of the posts)
I feel the need to voice my opinion. Delete now if you are not
interested or if you are one of those people who feels that if someone
does not agree with you - they are "wrong".
I am appalled at some of the name calling and nasty comments made
recently on this list. Words like "slut", "virus", "rape", "medication",
"therapy", "need help", etc. being slung around - all of this has
disturbed me.
Do I agree with what Laurie did? - no. Would I do the same? - no. Do I
feel it was tacky? - yes. However, I do not feel that what she did is
any of my business. There are between 200 and 300 people from around the
world on this list. I can not control the behavior of all of those
people - nor do I care to do so. I do not believe their behavior
reflects on me. I am an individual - not a group. IMO Mandy is mature
enough to realize this. There have been times when I felt the "love"
described by various fans was inappropriate.....however, I felt no need
to attack those people. It is not my style to touch him, kiss him, or
"love" on him. That does not mean that others are wrong for wanting to
do so.
Finally, I think that Mandy Patinkin can take care of himself. He does
not need a group of females "defending his honor" - IMHO.
(Thank you for allowing my "2=A2 worth"...if you made it this far.)
Kathy
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>[email protected] writes:
><< do they have a procedure for hands?? .......
Bev wrote:
>Or hands, LOL ... I don't know about plastic surgery to make hands feel
>younger, but there are hand surgeons out there -- that's their specialty,
>hands.
But cosmetic stuff for hands is the same as for the face. Glycolic acid
peels. Guess it would work on elbows a little.
And cartilage sags with age...so noses and earlobes do get longer. That
earlobe surgery is expensive. Some of those old heavy earrings really
created some looooong lobes.
Teeth are an age giveaway too. They wear even. So some people have them
reshaped.
And in the more-than-I-needed to know category. What hair is most related
to aging? Axillary/armpit...when that's grey...you're old.
>>> I thought the Tourette (sp) dr was fabulous....(did he use to be on
>Benson?) <<
>
>Yes, he was on Benson! Good eye ... I wondered if anyone else remembered!
Yes....one of my favorites...Rene Auberjonois. Many know him from TV but he
was...hopefully still is......a tremendous stage actor.....Carol
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At 06:12 PM 10/11/99 -0400, David Risen wrote:
>I hope you are all so perfect that no
>one ever treats you like a dog because you had bad judgement for 30
>seconds. We have all made mistakes in judgement some worse than others try
>to remember that when bad mouthing others.
Well, see, when most of us have exercised bad judgment we've just had to
live with, say, a bad hairdo or an unflattering dress.
The "hatefulness" springs from Laurie's persistence in saying that what she
did wasn't inappropriate. If she'd *admit* it was ill-advised, and, more
importantly, promise NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN, we'd be more inclined to let it
be. IMHO.
DR
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Can we please move on???? Please?
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In a message dated 10/11/99 6:22:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> You have been very
> hateful to her in your postings and I hope you are all so perfect that no
> one ever treats you like a dog because you had bad judgement for 30
> seconds. We have all made mistakes in judgement some worse than others try
> to remember that when bad mouthing others. Everything is not all black and
> white and people right or wrong have feelings
Begging to differ but most of the posts did not mention hate towards
Laurie...rather they expressed feelings of dismay, disgust, revulsion,
embarrassment for Mandy Patinkin and his family, etc etc, This was no "error
in judgment"...this was premeditated molestation of a performer who was doing
his best to give his audience his attention and not vice versa. There is no
black and white here either...people with any common sense about dignity do
not fondle a man's genitalia in public... nor does a man fondle a woman..
The mistake made here, was Laurie did it, than turned around to brag about
the details to the members of this list. She got exactly what she asked for
and that is opinions of condemnation. These thoughts were voiced by people
on this list who are able to control their hands when in the presence of
someone they admire..
Michelle
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In a message dated 10/11/99 6:10:31 PM EST, [email protected] writes:
<< The "hatefulness" springs from Laurie's persistence in saying that what
she did wasn't inappropriate. If she'd *admit* it was ill-advised, and, more
importantly, promise NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN, we'd be more inclined to let it
be. IMHO. >>
I agree! We are all fearful of Fla and Michigan and what Laurie might do
then, given her boldness in Springfield. I, for one, fervently wish Mandy
would eliminate this number....Now it makes me nervous as to what other
people might think is "appropriate" behavior! This is so sad that Mandy's
"joke" was taken so literally in Springfield...
Ina
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Could the people who went to the Galveston concert please tell us whether
Mandy has continued the "Coffee in a Cardboard Cup" number, asking people to
come up on stage?????
Ina
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:59:05 -0700
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[email protected] wrote:
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>I thought the Tourette (sp) dr was fabulous....(did he use to be on
> Benson?) <<
>
> Yes, he was on Benson! Good eye ... I wondered if anyone else remembered!
He also played the priest in the old movie MASH... he was very good in
that also. Laurie
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I second the "moving on"
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:32:42 -0700 (PDT)
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I can only hope, no make that pray, that I never have
to learn if one of the ladies on CH is *old* by seeing
that.
What I noticed was in Algerghetti's hands, the fingers
are misshapen as fingers are by arthritis. Not that
you have to *old* to have that happen.
Renee
--- Carol Matre wrote:
>
> >[email protected] writes:
> ><< do they have a procedure for hands?? .......
>
> Bev wrote:
> >Or hands, LOL ... I don't know about plastic
> surgery to make hands feel
> >younger, but there are hand surgeons out there --
> that's their specialty,
> >hands.
>
> But cosmetic stuff for hands is the same as for the
> face. Glycolic acid
> peels. Guess it would work on elbows a little.
>
> And cartilage sags with age...so noses and earlobes
> do get longer. That
> earlobe surgery is expensive. Some of those old
> heavy earrings really
> created some looooong lobes.
>
> Teeth are an age giveaway too. They wear even. So
> some people have them
> reshaped.
>
> And in the more-than-I-needed to know category. What
> hair is most related
> to aging? Axillary/armpit...when that's
> grey...you're old.
>
> >>> I thought the Tourette (sp) dr was
> fabulous....(did he use to be on
> >Benson?) <<
> >
> >Yes, he was on Benson! Good eye ... I wondered if
> anyone else remembered!
>
> Yes....one of my favorites...Rene Auberjonois. Many
> know him from TV but he
> was...hopefully still is......a tremendous stage
> actor.....Carol
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:39:45 -0700
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How many people are going to be contributing to Mandy's birthday card
book? Is there a rough count already? We have heard of or seen
Kathijo's, Wendy's and Joanne's- which are all great, but it would be
nice if others who are doing it would share their ideas also.... Laurie
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) [email protected] (kathy s)
writes:
>Finally, I think that Mandy Patinkin can take care of himself. He does
>not need a group of females "defending his honor" - IMHO.
Well this is true. It kinda falls into a subcategory of WWMD?
Jen
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:39:25 +1000
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Here are line-ups. Only 2 days given for next week - and then not for
everything! (Just saw Bill Maher on the Martin Short Show, which is shown
here a week after the US at 10am weekdays).
Robin Williams should be good next Tuesday (Wed here). But what IS it with
Norm Macdonald? He seems to be on every few weeks! Maybe Dave calls him in
when he can't fine any stupid dog/people tricks!
LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS
Mo 10/11: Bruce Willis, Will Ferrell
Tu 10/12: Billy Blanks, Wilson Pickett
We 10/13: Farrah Fawcett, Dan Patrick
Th 10/14: John Malkovich, Harland Williams
Fr 10/15: Patricia Arquette, Harmony Korine, Moby
Mo 10/18: Ricki Lake, Kid Rock
Tu 10/19: Robin Williams, Norm Macdonald
THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC
Mo 10/11: Judge Judy Sheindlin, Cirque du Soleil
Tu 10/12: Ving Rhames, Thora Birch, Creed
We 10/13: Rita Wilson, Neve Campbell, Lou Bega
Th 10/14: Nicolas Cage, Mena Suvari, Natalie Merchant
Fr 10/15: Kevin Spacey, Lacey Chabert, Blink 182
Mo 10/18: Jennifer Grey, chef Emeril Lagasse
Tu 10/19: George Carlin, Rebecca Gayheart, John Popper
LATE LATE SHOW WITH CRAIG KILBORN, CBS
Mo 10/11: Peter Krause
Tu 10/12: Peter Fonda
We 10/13: Alex Kingston
Th 10/14: Molly Shannon, Rob Reiner, Alfred Molina
Fr 10/15: Farrah Fawcett
LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC
Mo 10/11: John Leguizamo, Margaret Smith, Tom Green (R 7/6/99)
Tu 10/12: David Boreanaz, Moxy Fruvous
We 10/13: Louis Theroux
Th 10/14: Judd Nelson, Will Ferrell, Tori Amos
Fr 10/15: Jon Stewart, Paula Cole
Mo 10/18: Dan Rather, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Trey Parker and Matt
Stone (R 7/7/99)
Tu 10/19: Jesse Martin, Laura Kightlinger
POLITICALLY INCORRECT WITH BILL MAHER, ABC
Mo 10/11: Dave Matthews, Joe Califano, Elayne Boosler, Bishop Earl Jackson
(R 3/3/99)
Tu 10/12: Rita Rudner, Tammy Bruce, Susan Faludi
We 10/13: Jimmie Walker, Julie Warner, Jim Sedlak, Norfolk citizen panelist
Arey DeSadier
Th 10/14: Jason Alexander, Louis Theroux
Fr 10/15: Beth Littleford, Roshumba, Ricardo Reyes, Melissa Rivers
Mo 10/18: TBA
Tu 10/19: Alfred Molina, Chuck D
THE LARRY SANDERS SHOW HBOSignature (reruns)
Mo 10/11 "The List" Alec Baldwin, Daniel Baldwin, Ed Begley Jr. (6/9/93)
Tu 10/12 "The Stalker" Corbin Bernsen, Phil Hartman (6/16/93)
We 10/13 "Larry's Agent" Tommy Newsom, Doc Severinsen, Barry Levinson
(6/23/93)
Th 10/14 "The Hankerciser 200" (6/30/93)
Fr 10/15 "Life Behind Larry" Kevin Nealon, Richard Lewis, David Letterman,
Bobcat Goldthwait, Tom Snyder (7/7/93)
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:42:45 EDT
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In a message dated 10/9/99 5:32:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< you are not alone >>
o/~ No one is alone ...
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Renee Jorgensen wrote:
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> > What I noticed was in Algerghetti's hands, the fingers
> are misshapen as fingers are by arthritis. Not that
> you have to *old* to have that happen.
> Renee
>
Not every form of arthritis deforms the hands though. I was diagnosed
with rheumatoid arthritis 2 years ago and the doctor told me that only
with certain forms of arthritis that the deformities will happen. Laurie
> >
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In a message dated 10/11/99 5:44:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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<< No one is alone ...
>>
well I don't know Bev, some people might be real soon..;-)
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The Fall Sondheim Review has an article on a version of SITPWG that was
performed in Palo Alto, CA. The director decided to have George and Dot kiss
- at the beginning and in Act II during "Move On". As this changed the feel
of the play, it was considered controversial.
Anyhow, the interviewer in questioning the director said, "On Broadway, Dot
and George never touched. It was always breathtaking when Bernadette Peters
and Mandy Patinkin hugged at the curtain call. You changed that."
Reply: "That was kind of a controversial move. We had a passionate kiss
between Dot and George during "Move On." That was a very conscious decision.
For me, both became the original characters at that point, not so much in
time but out of time. I just left realism behind and I think the script does
that..... etc.
There was also a very long interview with Barbara Bryne who played George's
Mother. She managed to go 2 pages without MENTIONING the star. *sigh*
:-> Wendy
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In all fairness.....
Someone had mentioned they did not recall Mandy ever inviting audience
members to "touch me" but I was just sure I had a r*c*rd*ng of him saying
just that.
Rialto Square Theatre, Joliet, IL, 11/14/93:
"Those of you who have come a long distance? -- or who are grateful that
we've come a long distance -- and who desire to touch me. This is the
part of the show when you may come forward to touch me.....OK....Here's a
lady, she's getting up here right now. Good girl, come up on the steps
right there. Now, let me be clear about this. I don't want you just
coming right to the foot of the stage. I want to be stormed on the stage.
And just to have like 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 people come up is insufficient,
ladies and gentlemen. I really want like 150. Now people are gettin'
ready, that's what I like. I want like 150, 200 people, I want a mob
scene up here on the stage. Just get ready -- [SHRIEKING] NOT YET! NOT
YET!!!NO!! NO!! NO! [faint voice of a woman protesting] I DIDN'T GIVE
YOU THE CUE!! But it's should be that kind of overwhelming anticipation,
that's the thing that's right."
[the t*p* cuts out momentarily]
"This is the part where the gift presentation takes place."
Then a lot of rapid-fire loud re-instating of the instructions, and the
command that they do it with "all your heart and soul."
Prior to this, the instructions are that if the front row doesn't do it
right, they will be moved back one row, and the back row will be moved to
the front row, and so on.
But no where does he say, "By all means...grab my schlong!"
Jen <---aw, c'mon, you knew I couldn't come all this way without
spreading a *little* judgment . ;-)
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:53:23 EDT
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I have communicated with Laurie that her actions and the revelation to the
list of said actions stunned me. To be honest, I was sickened. But equally
disturbing is the down right cruel way in which several list members chose to
convey their reactions. Indicative of the tone was that two list members,
who had not contributed for months, came out of lurk mode to join in the
communal skewering of Laurie. Flaming is one thing, vindictive cruelty is
another.
I have met some kind people here, but not enough to encourage me to remain on
this list. No longer can I stay in a place where it's OK to have fun at the
expense of another human being. Therefore, I say good-bye and wish you all
well.
Lin
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Laurie wrote:
>Joanne
>mentioned putting them in sheet protectors - should the cards all be of
>a certain size, then?
The pages should each be 8 1/2 by 11 inches.
/ Joanne
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