From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Mail digest Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:50:35 +0200 (METDST) ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: MP: Mandy's birth number Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:25:07 EDT In a message dated 9/28/99 9:14:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << And, as we all know, two Wongs don't make a white. >> :::::sound of groaning heard from Mandyfans across the globe::::: Kendal ... oh, Lord, that was *bad* ;-P ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Parent Soup archive? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:06:42 -0500 Maybe Diane will remember this...... Last time I was on this list Kathryn Grody's parent soup articles were posted periodically. I was so impressed with one column in particular entitled "Rachel's Wedding" that I saved it for a long time. Whe the ex moved out last September he took the computer with him and THAT file. Would anyone still have that archived somewhere or where would y'all suggest I look for it? Jenny ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: OFF: Anthony Warlow Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:39:05 -0400 I received my two AW cd's yesterday and really like them. Of course I just love those old songs and the show-tunes; that's how I got became a Mandy fan in the first place (aside from Yentl and Princess Bride)--Liz H. ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Parent Soup archive? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:56:44 -0400 At 03:06 PM 9/28/99 -0500, Jennifer Jacobson wrote: >Last time I was on this list Kathryn Grody's parent soup articles were >posted periodically. I was so impressed with one column in particular >entitled "Rachel's Wedding" that I saved it for a long time. >Would anyone still have that archived somewhere Here you go! -Char RACHELS' WEDDING Rachel just called. She is getting married and wanted to know if I would please come to the upstate home of her childhood, on a hopefully beautiful fall day, and celebrate with her. After all, she had been at my wedding, seventeen years ago. Indeed she had. I have a picture of her amidst those long ago festivities. She was the Jewish beauty I had always longed to be (I have spent my life explaining that, despite my name and my blue eyes, I'm not Irish ): enormous, deep, dark eyes and thick, jet black hair. She was fourteen years old that June day, and now is the first child who attended my wedding old enough to be having one herself . She is now the same age I was when I vowed to love my young mate forever. After telling Rachel that I wouldn't miss her wedding, I hung up the phone and begin to weep. I was crying out of genuine joy that this delicious person has found her mate. And I was weeping because she is about to begin the most daring and perilous of journeys. No rock climbs, sky dives, desert wanderings or wilderness expeditions can compare to the unpredictable road she and her love are about to embark upon. And they are both totally brave and totally innocent, as they have to be, because they have never ventured into this territory before, and there is no way anyone can forewarn them of its exquisite vistas or perilous depths because the path is so different for every couple that dares to take it. I have this image of them dressed in white, in a redwood forest, leaving a trail strewn with bits of courage and love, as they find their way. Rachel's proceedings brought me back to the beginning of my own, of course. My husband appeared at our first official date, a village breakfast, bearing small yellow mums, and told me before he sat down, that he just wanted me to know that he was going to marry me. I told him that he was going to be very disappointed because I didn't believe in marriage, and quoted all the radical feminists that I had discovered in my college days, not knowing that morning, that they had so little to do with who I actually was. We spent the afternoon strolling along the abandoned docks of downtown, full of spilling feeling. This very young man told me that nothing frightened him more than having a relationship, except the possibility of losing one with me. I told him that was what everyone said at first, just wait. We talked and sobbed the afternoon away, I refused to see him till the following week, needing the time to still my intuitive heart, because I knew I had spent the morning with the father of my future children. Both our instincts were dead on because two years after our breakfast we were married. At our traditional ceremony, I changed the phrase "I will be married to you forever" to "I will love you forever", because I said I didn't know what marriage meant but that whatever happened, I knew I would love this young man forever, so I could promise that. Seventeen years later I still love that slightly less young man of mine, but I am still in the process of learning what marriage means. This is what I know so far: In marriage I have experienced the greatest joy and deepest agony. No one has made me angrier than my husband, and there is no one I feel safer with. I cannot imagine having our children without him beside me, and we have turned out to be very different kinds of parents. I have had to learn to fight, and he has had to learn to listen. I've had to express feelings that I'm more comfortable hiding, and he has had to learn to lasso his exploding ones. It has meant living with the contradiction that the person I need more than any other, that I feel more deeply connected to than any other, is also the person who enrages me and can make me feel more alone than anyone else can. Over these years we have thrilled each other beyond our expectations, moved each other more deeply than we thought possible, roared often with raucous laughter, and have also profoundly disappointed each other. After seventeen years we are still a work in progress. But now I could vow, from experience, that I do long to be married forever. I don't take it for granted, but it's a goal I want to get to. Years ago, when I was engaged to be married, I overheard a man talking about my future husband, and when I answered his question, he said "Oh, are you related to him?" I paused, somewhat stunned at the enormity of his response. I caught my breath and said, "I am about to be." So for Rachel, and anyone else who is "about to be," my husband and I are in the middle of those woods you are about to wander in. They are full of extraordinary beauty and dangerous demons, but most of all, they are full of amazing life. Hold hands tightly as you walk, dance, run and tiptoe along your way. If you need company or compass we will be there, just a couple of decades ahead of you, looking for the light of your journey, holding the light from ours , with the greatest love, and yes, Rachel, I will be there to see you begin as you saw me begin and I would be thrilled to come to your wedding. ~ By Kathryn Grody ******************************************************************** Mandy Patinkin - High Flying Adored http://home.att.net/~mosert/char/mandy.htm ******************************************************************** ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: MP: That's our Boy Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:02:28 EDT Since there seems to be a dirth of real Mandy related items on the list, I forward the following e-mail that I received from a friend of mine who works for United Airlines. << I have a very brief Mandy story for you. Many times, we hear stories of different celebrities from our co-workers at LAX. They are NOT always complimentary! But a co-worker who previously worked with us in Reservations happened to wait on Mandy at the ticket counter recently. The young man, who normally maintains his composure no matter who the customer, was overcome when he saw Mandy opposite him across the ticket counter. He could barely mutter something to the effect of "I think you're awesome!" You'll be pleased to know that Mandy was very gracious, and thanked our friend for the compliment.>> But of course he was! :-> Wendy P.S. As to the websites I posted with the Mandy photo and CH episode guide, sorry, I copied and pasted them directly, so don't know why they don't work (as a few people have informed me). But if you want to find the pages, start with the CBS site and go to Television and search out CH and you'll eventually get where I did. ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Numbers Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:38:53 -0700 Let's count the number of women that we know Mandy has dated or been involved with.... I'm especially interested in the one that made him have to go on vacation because she broke up with him and he still had to finish the run of a play....Carol ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Numbers Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:30:33 EDT In a message dated 9/28/99 8:41:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Let's count the number of women that we know Mandy has dated or been involved with.... I'm especially interested in the one that made him have to go on vacation because she broke up with him and he still had to finish the run of a play....Carol >> OK now here is a number game I can get behind. 1 (the girl from the play ) 2 me. Next. KJ ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: OFF: AW Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:30:19 -0400 I forgot to add thanks to whoever posted the recent mention of the Anthony Warlow recordings--Liz H. ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Numbers Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:09:55 EDT In a message dated 9/29/99 1:20:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Let's count the number of women that we know Mandy has dated or been involved with.... I'm especially interested in the one that made him have to go on vacation because she broke up with him and he still had to finish the run of a play....Carol >> Is this a Mandy story I don't know, or just an inside joke I'm not privy to? I'm dying of curiosity! Was Mandy a real rake before he got married? Does anybody know? Laura ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OFF: Anthony Warlow Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:00:29 -0500 >>> Chuck Hinchman09/28/99 06:39PM >>> >I received my two AW cd's yesterday and really like them. Of >course I = just love those old songs and the show-tunes; that's >how I got became a = Mandy fan in the first place (aside from >Yentl and Princess Bride)--Liz = H. Which two did you get? DR <-- speaking of Yentl, places like grocery stores shouldn't be allowed = to play Babs singing "The Way He Makes Me Feel" - huge danger of shopping = cart collisions during "...every time I close my eyes he's there/The water = shining on his skin, the sunlight in his hair..." Ooh baby. ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OFF: AW Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:12:00 -0500 >>> Chuck Hinchman 09/29/99 06:30AM >>> > I forgot to add thanks to whoever posted the recent >mention of = the Anthony Warlow recordings--Liz H. One of them would be me. ;) And you're very welcome. I'd thank YOU for = giving AW a listen, but that's it's own reward! DR ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Numbers Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:16:04 -0700 [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/99 8:41:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > << > Let's count the number of women that we know Mandy has dated or been > involved with.... I'm especially interested in the one that made him have > to go on vacation because she broke up with him and he still had to finish > the run of a play....Carol >> > OK now here is a number game I can get behind. > 1 (the girl from the play ) 2 me. > Next. > KJ Ha! I know that Jo, Smitty and I have the tropical locale pictures to 'prove' our pasts with him ;) Marianne ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Numbers Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:23:37 EDT In a message dated 9/29/99 8:17:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Ha! I know that Jo, Smitty and I have the tropical locale pictures to 'prove' our pasts with him ;) >> Marianne, we are counting dear.. not claiming. Just do your addition. ( i have seen those pictures, she is telling the truth ! ) KJ ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Numbers Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:02:04 -0700 I just hate it when I show my 'math ignorance' in public. Marianne <---1+0=1 [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/99 8:17:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << > > Ha! I know that Jo, Smitty and I have the tropical locale pictures to > 'prove' > our pasts with him ;) > >> > Marianne, we are counting dear.. not claiming. Just do your addition. ( i > have seen those pictures, she is telling the truth ! ) > KJ ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Elmo in Grouchland Review -- zestfully hammy? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:46:56 EDT ''Elmo'' strictly for video viewing The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland (Kidpic, color, G, 1:13) By Joe Leydon HOUSTON (Variety) - Preschoolers will be tickled by ``The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland,'' an excessively winsome comedy aimed at little ones who might find Barney the Purple Dinosaur too intimidating. But this latest Muppet movie -- only the second, after 1985's ``Follow That Bird,'' to showcase the ``Sesame Street'' menagerie -- is too tepid to interest anyone old enough to operate a TV remote control. Even so, there's a silver lining for the folks at Jim Henson Pictures: after a brief theatrical run, ``Elmo'' will doubtless generate brisk video sales, enjoying a long afterlife as an electronic babysitter. Tissue-thin plot focuses on an eventful journey taken by Elmo, the little red furball voiced by Kevin Clash. Normally a mild-mannered homebody, the cute critter is forced to leave his Sesame Street stomping grounds when his beloved blanket is accidentally tossed into the infamous garbage can of Oscar the Grouch (Carol Spinney). Elmo jumps into the can to retrieve his animated blue buddy, only to find himself in Oscar's messy living room. One thing leads to another, a secret passageway opens -- and Elmo, along with his blanket, is sucked into a swirling tunnel that carries him to Grouchland, the yuckiest place in the universe. As Elmo traverses the trashy metropolis -- a city where children order anchovies on their ice cream and women get makeovers at the Ugly Parlor -- he runs afoul of Huxley (Mandy Patinkin), a bombastic, bushy-browed bad guy whose selfishness has no bounds. He claims Elmo's blanket as his own, then flies back to his fortress in his giant flying machine. Not surprisingly, Elmo follows -- and is in turn followed by Big Bird, Oscar and various other denizens of Sesame Street. Working from a script by Mitchell Kriegman and Joseph Mazzarino, director Gary Halvorson -- a TV vet making his feature debut -- somehow manages to make pic seem at once frenetic and soporific. There is a great deal of activity -- singing, dancing, wallowing in garbage, learning of life lessons -- but absolutely nothing is allowed to get out of hand. Indeed, each time a modest amount of suspense is generated, the pic stops dead in its tracks so the affable Bert and Ernie can appear onscreen to tell the audience that there's nothing to worry about, everything will turn out OK. ``Elmo in Grouchland'' is very much an audience-participation pic -- characters repeatedly address the camera and share their feelings or ask for encouragement. And just to make sure the target audience knows how to respond, the pic comes equipped with the equivalent of a sitcom laughtrack. Unseen children laugh, cheer, clap and sing along. How sweet. Patinkin, who looks and sounds as though he's channeling the spirit of Anthony Newley, gives a zestfully hammy -- but, of course, not very frightening -- performance. And Vanessa Williams is an exceptionally radiant Queen of Trash while warbling one of the pic's many aggressively cheery and instantly forgettable songs. Other human stars, including ``Sesame Street'' regulars, fail to register much impact. Standout among the new Muppet puppets is Bug the Bug (Joseph Mazzarino), Huxley's loyal but ineffective assistant. Elmo, Big Bird and the other vet ``Sesame Street'' puppets go through their familiar paces with kid-friendly charm. Tech values are appropriately garish and colorful. Voices: Elmo, Pestie, Grouch Jailer, Grouch Cab Driver .............. Kevin Clash Zoe, Pestie, Prairie Dawn ....... Fran Brill Grizzy, Pestie .................. Stephanie D'Abruzzo Humongous Chicken ............... Dave Goelz Bug ............................. Joseph Mazzarino Count, Pestie, Grouch Mayor, Grouch Cop ...................... Jerry Nelson Telly, Pestie ................... Martin P. Robinson Baby Bear, Caterpillar, Pestie, Collander Stenchman, Ice Cream Customer .............. David Rudman Big Bird, Oscar ................. Caroll Spinney Ernie, Stuckweed, Football Stenchman, Ice Cream Vendor, Parrot ........ Steve Whitmire Bert, Grover, Cookie Monster .... Frank Oz With: Huxley .......................... Mandy Patinkin Queen of Trash .................. Vanessa Williams Maria ........................... Sonia Manzano Gordon .......................... Roscoe Orman Rosita .......................... Carmen Osbahr Gina ............................ Alison Bartlett-O'Reilly Ruthie .......................... Ruth Buzzi Luis ............................ Emilio Delgado Susan ........................... Loretta Long Bob ............................. Bob McGarth A Sony Pictures Entertainment release of a Columbia Pictures presentation of a Jim Henson Pictures presentation of a Children's Television Workshop production. Produced by Alex Rockwell, Marjorie Kalins. Executive producers, Brian Henson, Stephanie Allain, Martin G. Baker. Co-producers, Kevin Clash, Thomas M. Bourne. Directed by Gary Halvorson. Screenplay, Mitchell Kriegman, Joseph Mazzarino. Camera (Deluxe color), Alan Caso; editor, Alan Baumgarten; music, John Debney; music supervisor, Andy Hill; production designer, Alan Cassie; art director, William G. Davis; costume designer, Polly Smith; sound (Dolby/SDDS), Carl S. Rudisill; puppeteer captain, Kevin Clash; Muppet stunt supervisor, Fred Buchholz; assistant director, Seth Cirker. Reviewed at Cinemark Westchase Tinseltown Theater, Houston, Sept. 25, 1999. Reuters/Variety 03:20 09-29-99 Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Elmo in Grouchland Review -- zestfully hammy? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:10:52 -0700 That is interesting because when they originally tested the film, they were surprised at how scared the kids were. So, when they were editing it, they added in the characters speaking to the audience, and the audience participation stuff. Really to make it more like Sesame Street. They ran an article about it the latest issue of Sesame Street parent. I shall be there with my three year old, cheering Elmo on! I can't wait. [email protected] wrote: > ''Elmo'' strictly for video viewing > > The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland (Kidpic, color, G, > 1:13) > > By Joe Leydon > > HOUSTON (Variety) - Preschoolers will be tickled by ``The > Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland,'' an excessively winsome > comedy aimed at little ones who might find Barney the Purple > Dinosaur too intimidating. > > But this latest Muppet movie -- only the second, after > 1985's ``Follow That Bird,'' to showcase the ``Sesame Street'' > menagerie -- is too tepid to interest anyone old enough to > operate a TV remote control. Even so, there's a silver lining > for the folks at Jim Henson Pictures: after a brief theatrical > run, ``Elmo'' will doubtless generate brisk video sales, > enjoying a long afterlife as an electronic babysitter. > > Tissue-thin plot focuses on an eventful journey taken by > Elmo, the little red furball voiced by Kevin Clash. Normally a > mild-mannered homebody, the cute critter is forced to leave his > Sesame Street stomping grounds when his beloved blanket is > accidentally tossed into the infamous garbage can of Oscar the > Grouch (Carol Spinney). Elmo jumps into the can to retrieve his > animated blue buddy, only to find himself in Oscar's messy > living room. One thing leads to another, a secret passageway > opens -- and Elmo, along with his blanket, is sucked into a > swirling tunnel that carries him to Grouchland, the yuckiest > place in the universe. > > As Elmo traverses the trashy metropolis -- a city where > children order anchovies on their ice cream and women get > makeovers at the Ugly Parlor -- he runs afoul of Huxley (Mandy > Patinkin), a bombastic, bushy-browed bad guy whose selfishness > has no bounds. He claims Elmo's blanket as his own, then flies > back to his fortress in his giant flying machine. Not > surprisingly, Elmo follows -- and is in turn followed by Big > Bird, Oscar and various other denizens of Sesame Street. > > Working from a script by Mitchell Kriegman and Joseph > Mazzarino, director Gary Halvorson -- a TV vet making his > feature debut -- somehow manages to make pic seem at once > frenetic and soporific. There is a great deal of activity -- > singing, dancing, wallowing in garbage, learning of life lessons > -- but absolutely nothing is allowed to get out of hand. Indeed, > each time a modest amount of suspense is generated, the pic > stops dead in its tracks so the affable Bert and Ernie can > appear onscreen to tell the audience that there's nothing to > worry about, everything will turn out OK. > > ``Elmo in Grouchland'' is very much an > audience-participation pic -- characters repeatedly address the > camera and share their feelings or ask for encouragement. And > just to make sure the target audience knows how to respond, the > pic comes equipped with the equivalent of a sitcom laughtrack. > Unseen children laugh, cheer, clap and sing along. How sweet. > > Patinkin, who looks and sounds as though he's channeling the > spirit of Anthony Newley, gives a zestfully hammy -- but, of > course, not very frightening -- performance. And Vanessa > Williams is an exceptionally radiant Queen of Trash while > warbling one of the pic's many aggressively cheery and instantly > forgettable songs. Other human stars, including ``Sesame > Street'' regulars, fail to register much impact. Standout among > the new Muppet puppets is Bug the Bug (Joseph Mazzarino), > Huxley's loyal but ineffective assistant. > > Elmo, Big Bird and the other vet ``Sesame Street'' puppets > go through their familiar paces with kid-friendly charm. Tech > values are appropriately garish and colorful. > > Voices: > > Elmo, Pestie, Grouch Jailer, > > Grouch Cab Driver .............. Kevin Clash > > Zoe, Pestie, Prairie Dawn ....... Fran Brill > > Grizzy, Pestie .................. Stephanie D'Abruzzo > > Humongous Chicken ............... Dave Goelz > > Bug ............................. Joseph Mazzarino > > Count, Pestie, Grouch Mayor, > > Grouch Cop ...................... Jerry Nelson > > Telly, Pestie ................... Martin P. Robinson > > Baby Bear, Caterpillar, > > Pestie, Collander Stenchman, > > Ice Cream Customer .............. David Rudman > > Big Bird, Oscar ................. Caroll Spinney > > Ernie, Stuckweed, Football Stenchman, > > Ice Cream Vendor, Parrot ........ Steve Whitmire > > Bert, Grover, Cookie Monster .... Frank Oz > > With: > > Huxley .......................... Mandy Patinkin > > Queen of Trash .................. Vanessa Williams > > Maria ........................... Sonia Manzano > > Gordon .......................... Roscoe Orman > > Rosita .......................... Carmen Osbahr > > Gina ............................ Alison Bartlett-O'Reilly > > Ruthie .......................... Ruth Buzzi > > Luis ............................ Emilio Delgado > > Susan ........................... Loretta Long > > Bob ............................. Bob McGarth > > A Sony Pictures Entertainment release of a Columbia Pictures > presentation of a Jim Henson Pictures presentation of a > Children's Television Workshop production. Produced by Alex > Rockwell, Marjorie Kalins. Executive producers, Brian Henson, > Stephanie Allain, Martin G. Baker. Co-producers, Kevin Clash, > Thomas M. Bourne. > > Directed by Gary Halvorson. Screenplay, Mitchell Kriegman, > Joseph Mazzarino. Camera (Deluxe color), Alan Caso; editor, Alan > Baumgarten; music, John Debney; music supervisor, Andy Hill; > production designer, Alan Cassie; art director, William G. > Davis; costume designer, Polly Smith; sound (Dolby/SDDS), Carl > S. Rudisill; puppeteer captain, Kevin Clash; Muppet stunt > supervisor, Fred Buchholz; assistant director, Seth Cirker. > Reviewed at Cinemark Westchase Tinseltown Theater, Houston, > Sept. 25, 1999. > > Reuters/Variety > > 03:20 09-29-99 > Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or > redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is > expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters > shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any > actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted > by AOL. ----------------Message-boundary From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: CH Ratings Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Also bad news on the CH ratings front. The season opener last week drew the lowest numbers ever for a CH premiere. (Read it in the Washington POST today.) Brenda Brenda W. Clough, author of HOW LIKE A GOD from Tor Books. http://www.sff.net/people/Brenda ----------------Message-boundary-- -- End --